Its tough. especially in traffic. From what I heard, from a guy who has been through 10 sets of tires to make the car stick, Nokian Hakapelleta's are the only way to go. I know that my car with brand new motomasters in the winter was for the birds. That is why now it stays in the garage for the winter. And I bought a beater, Like the quaker oats guy says "ITs the right thing to do."