Vortx
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trollingORstupid ??
Subaru BRZ getting a bad review...
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trollingORstupid ??
JoeyV
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The problem is, I repeat, that people are expecting early 90's cars' souls in new cars. It was 20 years ago. Get over it and adapt to the new performance definition. Essentially, you are now acting exactly like your parents who you used to argue with about muscle cars being "real" cars versus what was new to you (early 90's imports).
I HAVE driven the FR-S and can tell you that it does handle great, the throttle response IS present and that even the paddle-shift automatic transmission is quick and precise. You can bounce it off the redline and drift in it just like a 5/6 speed. While it could make due with a little more power, you could simply strip the whole thing, slap on an intake and exhaust and get a better power/weight ratio.
Weight has not ruined everything, people have because cars are made for the masses and the masses want automatic boats to lug their huge asses around. The small automotive enthusiast community does not make the auto industry run, fat lazy people with money do.
I HAVE driven the FR-S and can tell you that it does handle great, the throttle response IS present and that even the paddle-shift automatic transmission is quick and precise. You can bounce it off the redline and drift in it just like a 5/6 speed. While it could make due with a little more power, you could simply strip the whole thing, slap on an intake and exhaust and get a better power/weight ratio.
Weight has not ruined everything, people have because cars are made for the masses and the masses want automatic boats to lug their huge asses around. The small automotive enthusiast community does not make the auto industry run, fat lazy people with money do.
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JoeyV
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In the proper sense of the term, yes, you are right. But the paddle shift auto transmission is so quick and precise, it gets called that way. My bad for using slang.
logik23
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No one, besides you and maybe sales people who don't know anything about anything, would call it a DSG.
JoeyV
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Well hey, if you wanna answer like a douche about it, I'll edit my post to make your highness happy. Do you correct people who use the term "tiptronic" as well?
logik23
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altivec
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Le monde avec "200 hp pas assez"
Toyota MR2 N/A 1985-89: ~115hp
Toyota MR2 Supercharged 1988-1989: 145hp (supercharged)
Toyota Celica GTS 1985-1989: 145hp
Toyota Celica All-Trac 1985-1989: 190hp (turbo)
Toyota Celica GTS 1989-1993: 130hp
Toyota Celica All-Trac 1989-1993: 221 à 232hp (turbo)
Toyota Celica GTS 1993–1999: 135hp
Toyota Celica All-Trac 1993–1999: 239hp (turbo)
Nissan 240sx 1989–1994: 155hp
Nissan 240sx 1995–1998: 155hp
Honda S2000 AP1: 240hp
Honda S2000 AP2: 237hp
Mazda RX7 1989–1991 (S5): 160hp
Mazda RX7 1989–1991 (S5): 202hp (turbo)
Mazda RX7 1992–2002: 252hp (turbo)
Mazda Miata 1998 (1.6L): 89hp
Mazda Miata 1998 (1.8L): 133hp
Mazda Miata Mazdaspeed 2004-2005: 180hp
Mazda Miata 2005-Today (2.0L): 170hp
J'imagine que dans la tête de plusieurs @ 25 000$ un char devrais faire 800kg, 450hp, turbo & supercharged, 39 haut-parleurs et 3 subwoofers, décapotable, mag chromé de 24 pouces et venir avec la tite-bimbo double-D..... viva le MR Elite Balling Club!
Toyota MR2 N/A 1985-89: ~115hp
Toyota MR2 Supercharged 1988-1989: 145hp (supercharged)
Toyota Celica GTS 1985-1989: 145hp
Toyota Celica All-Trac 1985-1989: 190hp (turbo)
Toyota Celica GTS 1989-1993: 130hp
Toyota Celica All-Trac 1989-1993: 221 à 232hp (turbo)
Toyota Celica GTS 1993–1999: 135hp
Toyota Celica All-Trac 1993–1999: 239hp (turbo)
Nissan 240sx 1989–1994: 155hp
Nissan 240sx 1995–1998: 155hp
Honda S2000 AP1: 240hp
Honda S2000 AP2: 237hp
Mazda RX7 1989–1991 (S5): 160hp
Mazda RX7 1989–1991 (S5): 202hp (turbo)
Mazda RX7 1992–2002: 252hp (turbo)
Mazda Miata 1998 (1.6L): 89hp
Mazda Miata 1998 (1.8L): 133hp
Mazda Miata Mazdaspeed 2004-2005: 180hp
Mazda Miata 2005-Today (2.0L): 170hp
J'imagine que dans la tête de plusieurs @ 25 000$ un char devrais faire 800kg, 450hp, turbo & supercharged, 39 haut-parleurs et 3 subwoofers, décapotable, mag chromé de 24 pouces et venir avec la tite-bimbo double-D..... viva le MR Elite Balling Club!
JoeyV
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fixed, but your point is very good.
android25ua
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While I do agree that the video review is full of shit for all of the reasons listed in this thread, the Subaru does look like it understeers a LOT... Kinda like any stock Legacy... lol
android25ua
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^Well I mean I've obviously never driven one, but look at parts of the video from the camera mounted on the front bumper. I can REALLY relate that to winter driving my Legacy when you don't know how to tame that shit.
Duro
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La Mustang V6 fait mieux que je pensais sur la track, il a quand même fait 1 seconde de moins qu'avec la BRZ. Par contre j'ai pas l'impression qu'il a réussis a pousser la Mustang a fond autant qu'avec la Subaru. C'est sur que la Subaru est plus légère, plus précise, c'est plus facile la pousser a sa limite. La Mustang est beaucoup plus lourde, une suspension très molle, moins de feedback. C'est plus long a maitriser.
Je serais curieux de voir ses deux voitures la avec des vrais bonnes suspensions et des bons pneus.
Dex-
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Je sais pas trop si c'est sarcastique lol... mais en fait j'en ai commandé une hahaha... je l'ai commandé avant même que le prix soit sortie.
you forgot the weights of said vehicles.
making it barely faster than a miata, and much slower than the s2k (which is not fast to begin with)
making it barely faster than a miata, and much slower than the s2k (which is not fast to begin with)
logik23
Legacy Member
You're complaining about a 2700lb car and praising a 3600lb car.....not sure if srs
power to weight.
if all cars are porkers, might as well have some power to go with it.
JoeyV
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What exactly are you trying to get to, lateapex? okay, so the Mustang is a TINY bit faster on a medium to fast track, but here in Quebec, most of the ones who actually DO track their cars, hit the slower tracks. Most of us also like the fact of being able to drive the car for more than 5 years without it falling to pieces. At the very least (from your apparent point of view anyways) the Scion(Toyota) is a quality product and will hold its value and has build quality. This is completely leaving aside the looks of the car, which albeit are different for everyone, but the FR-S is much better looking (my opinion). To reiterate my previous statement: regardless of all that's been said, you're judging a car you haven't driven yet, and I'll be dammed if the Mustang is even half as fun to drive as the FR-S.