IS350 = Secret sleeper?

[OmegaBoost]

^by no means is a low 13 second car slow......

Its not insanely fast, but its definitely fast.

Sure there are many cars faster, but come on, 95% of the cars you see everyday are slower than a low 13 sec. car.

Seems like today you don't have a fast car unless you have 400whp+

honestly for today's standard 300hp isnt fast tho. I mean, the new stang is 415hp, M3 is over 400hp, camaro, SRT8 which you see in every street corner etc.

[ToxicBug]

^by no means is a low 13 second car slow......

Its not insanely fast, but its definitely fast.

Sure there are many cars faster, but come on, 95% of the cars you see everyday are slower than a low 13 sec. car.

Seems like today you don't have a fast car unless you have 400whp+

In the 1990's, 14's was fast.

In the 2000's, 13's was fast.

We're in the 2010's and IMO you need to run at least 12's to be considered fast now. Too many cars run 13's, it doesn't mean that they're all fast. As time goes on, cars are becoming more and more powerful, so it's natural for the the term "fast" to change its meaning.

Also, none of those are low 13's car. Unless I'm mistaken, they're mid-13's.

I shit you not I was in an IS-F and some of the trim is the EXACT same as my parent's Camry SE

2011 IS-F


2012 Camry SE


I agree with you about the interior, but it's not the same platform

[EV]

I know I know, but if you compare it to a 2010 Camry SE (not the one you posted) a bunch of bins and shit are the same

I know most people prolly don't care, but it would make me rage to pay $80k and have anything even remotely related to a Camry

[karizzle]

ITT bmw owners have their jimmies russled

[romul]

A friends dad went from a Legacy GT to the IS350 and wishes he had never made the change. IMO the IS has shit steering feel.

[jerm__]

The new M3's and IS-F need the extra ~100hp though, they weight like 300 lbs more than their predecessors. Same thing with the Evo's and STi's.

Evo IX could have weighted as little as 2880 lbs, the Evo X can weight as much as 3500 lbs. Wtf is that haha

[logik23]

An Audi RS4 has some little things from VW. Who cares.

[Lexus]

Fast you say?
e46 m3 is slow...
TL-S is slow..
Mustang GT is Slow...

Slow compared to what exactly? How many street cars out there run low 13s (like the E46 M3 does)? I'm obviously talking all cars. When probably about 90% of the cars sold in Canada every year are in the 16 to 18 sec range, low-13s sounds pretty fast to me. Of course if you only look at the very small niche group of people with high power modified cars, then yeah, it's probably on the slow side.

I shit you not I was in an IS-F and some of the trim is the EXACT same as my parent's Camry SE

It's the same mother company that produces them so it's not surprising.

Check an R8 and a Lambo inside and you might just find certain trim pieces that you see on some Vw and Audi cars, for example.

[Lexus]

honestly for today's standard 300hp isnt fast tho. I mean, the new stang is 415hp, M3 is over 400hp, camaro, SRT8 which you see in every street corner etc.

Hp isn't that relevant. There's many cars with 300hp, they're not all in the 13s. Not even in the 14s. Some are even in the 16's!

and "every street corner" is an exageration. Those are the top of the line trims from each model and they will not be the majority of the sales even within their own model, let alone the whole class, let alone the total car sales. Percentage wise, GTs, SSs, M3s, SRTs and the likes represent a very very small part of the total # of cars out there. They just jump out at us when we see them exactly because they are more flashy and we don't notice that for every car of that caliber there were 100 Civics+100Grand Caravans + 100 Corollas + 50 Elantras + + + +.

[bmw325]

Both Car &Driver and Road &Track got 13.5-13.7 with IS350s. Is that fast? Depends from where you stand but it's definitely faster than people think. It's pretty much on par with automatic 335s and faster than C350s. I love how people with E46 325s probably think their bimmer is faster cuz it's a bimmer and the other is a "bloated Lexus".

IS-F is a 12.8 car. Which is exactly the same as an E92 M3. Modded 135s sure can be faster, but if their faster than an IS-F they;re faster than an E92 M3. Question is, why would anyone spend 80K+ on an E92 M3, if they can get a 50K 135+ a few grand worth of mods and be faster than the M3 while still having the BMW badge?

lol you think I'm delusional? my car doesn't even have 200hp, I'm just stating the facts. Lexus is a luxury vehicle with little to no racing heritage. To be honest I would rather drive the IS-F for one day but take a M3,135,335 as a everyday car.

[logik23]

lol you think I'm delusional? my car doesn't even have 200hp, I'm just stating the facts. Lexus is a luxury vehicle with little to no racing heritage. To be honest I would rather drive the IS-F for one day but take a M3,135,335 as a everyday car.

If you think Toyota has no racing heritage, you are sorely mistaken.

[EV]

An Audi RS4 has some little things from VW. Who cares.

Hate to say this, but better VW trim than Camry trim

[logik23]

Meh, I really like the IS interior. Although it's not huge.

[cassard]

a thread that turns into a : BMW is better

you don't see that often

[*VR6*]

a thread that turns into a : BMW is better

you don't see that often

Mercedes owner is mad lol

[bmw325]

If you think Toyota has no racing heritage, you are sorely mistaken.

did I stutter?

[logik23]

did I stutter?

lol

[ToxicBug]

did I stutter?

Toyota in motorsports
Toyota Racing
Toyota Motorsport GmbH

[cassard]

Mercedes owner is mad lol

not at all lol, I just find that funny.

[bmw325]

Toyota in motorsports
Toyota Racing
Toyota Motorsport GmbH

Yes I get it, but they are two different companies, you're not gonna say Fiat has racing heritage just because it owns Ferrarri...