Big Pat
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This is the most reliable VW of all time :run:
I got nothing to prove that but that would be laugh as hell.
It very well could be... VW Taro, rebadged Toyota Hilux.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Taro
German cars lose out in reliability survey
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It very well could be... VW Taro, rebadged Toyota Hilux.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Taro
The conditions aren't the same. VW are better serviced by a specialist. We don't know where customers of warranty direct repair their vehicles.
Let me give you an example. In 2008, my wife took my 1992 Jetta to Quebec City. That car was a tank, nothing ever went wrong with it. Before her trip I installed new spark plugs wires, distributor cap and spark plugs. Turns out I didn't install the distributor cap correctly(like an idiot) and when she gets to Quebec the car stalls on a main road.
She calls a towing and being a Sunday, only garage that's open is CT. The car arrives and the head mechanic comes to see her before even checking the car to say "oh well it's a vw, it's probably an electrical problem, it's going to take us like 4-5 hours to figure it out. Obviously she calls me right away, passes me the mechanic who starts giving me bullshit about how VW's are garbage cars, unreliable and plagued with electrical problems. I told him to check the ignition system.
My wife called me 15 minutes later and told me the car was fixed, it cost her 25$ and she was back on the road. We had that car for four years and the only trouble it gave us was caused by me.
I think mechanics perception on these cars and how they repair them plays a huge role on how these cars perform in these studies.
A Honda rolls in and they diagnose it properly, a VW rolls in, most mechanics assume the cars has bunch of problems, dollar signs and ignore the easy fixes which are the case most of the time. This self fulfilling prophecy I've experienced could very well affect the "reliability" results of these studies. VW mechanics treat VW's like a general mechanic treats a Japanese car, that is without a pre-conceived bias against the car.
I'm not saying VW are or aren't reliable, I've personally had nothing but great experiences with these cars. I'm just saying how factors other than the reliability could affect the results of this study, such as brand perception and where the owners of extended warrantied cars choose to repair their cars.
And just the fact that they claim VW's are nearly as unreliable as Rovers makes this study absolutely laughable. Rovers were the most unreliable cars in an era when the MOST reliable cars where less reliable than today's least reliable cars...
ahhh the token pissing contest........you can make a survey say anything you'd like it to.
If you like driving a Honda, drive a Honda. If you like driving an audi, drive an audi. If these types of surveys get your rocks off then you are not a euro fan/driver in the first place.
I have nothing against Honda or any jap brands, they just ain't my cup of tea. You could tell me that it [jap car] will last me until 2080 and I would rather fred flinstone a euro car around. I am sure there are a lot of people with the opposite opinion. It's all about preference.
If you like driving a Honda, drive a Honda. If you like driving an audi, drive an audi. If these types of surveys get your rocks off then you are not a euro fan/driver in the first place.
I have nothing against Honda or any jap brands, they just ain't my cup of tea. You could tell me that it [jap car] will last me until 2080 and I would rather fred flinstone a euro car around. I am sure there are a lot of people with the opposite opinion. It's all about preference.
infinite
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your case sounds like an isolated case. the mechanic seems to be just incompetent.
case like yours can happen to anyone with any car. some guy with a toyota can misinstall some part, creating an unnecessary problem, then brings it to a garage, and some incompetent mechanic diagnoses it wrong and end up making everything worst. it happens. happend to me (my car is a honda), happened to a lot of people i know.
and you seem to assume a lot. if you assume that most of average mechanics assume that there's a problem where there is none when they are dealing with vw, then you shouldn't go to that garage either way. and that garage will fuck customers regardless of what car they deal with.
and btw reliability is not about whether the problem gets fixed or not. when you are coming into a garage, any garage, that means you have a problem. small or big. for any brand of cars.
if VW mechanics need a specialist, then personally i think that just adds one more complexity for no reason. it's not about being good or bad, it just one more unnecessary hassle. i'm sure your wife would agree.
the point is, with given samples from same source with same conditions and criteria, japs were generally ranked higher. it's simple as that.
and personally, i don't really believe any of those reliability reports all that much. i think it all depends on how well you take care of the car. any car can be less problematic depending on how much you spend your money on "preventative" maintenances for your unreliable car. but it doesn't mean the car itself is a good. if the car needs more meticulous maintenance and attention, it just means design flaw and poor engineering in my book.
some people get this, some people don't.
theoutsider
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Je prefere de loin faire le tour de forums de proprios pour un model en particulier et ramasser l information que d ecouter ce qu un sondage du genre a à dire la dessus.
J'vais essayer de mieux écrire parce que plus haut on m'a traité d'illettré avec faible QI parce que j'ai fais exprès d'écrire en yo full ghetto bum vedge cassé mtl raisin.
Un Honda qui puffe bleu après 150k km c'est ultra fiable c'est vrais. D'habitude t'a pas une cenne donc tu tough ta mécanique encore 2-3ans de même en le battant en mettant de la 2050 ou de la autolab chez wallmart. ça lousse de partout, les ball joint débarque pif paf mais oui le moteur vire encore sur la boucane bleue c'est tough au boutte une truie à battre...
Mais n'importe quel German tu fais le gasket de tête en 2H les ball joint lâchent jamais. les cylindres commencent à s'user après 350k km... Tu look moins BS pareil en bout de ligne.
Un Honda qui puffe bleu après 150k km c'est ultra fiable c'est vrais. D'habitude t'a pas une cenne donc tu tough ta mécanique encore 2-3ans de même en le battant en mettant de la 2050 ou de la autolab chez wallmart. ça lousse de partout, les ball joint débarque pif paf mais oui le moteur vire encore sur la boucane bleue c'est tough au boutte une truie à battre...
Mais n'importe quel German tu fais le gasket de tête en 2H les ball joint lâchent jamais. les cylindres commencent à s'user après 350k km... Tu look moins BS pareil en bout de ligne.
Lexus
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Je connais le video, je l'ai vu quand il etait sorti (sur MR aussi). Les S-classe sont tout a fait comparables a la LS et autres (A8, 7series et XJ, Infiniti n'as plus de competiteur dans cette classe). C'est connu que historiquement MB est probablement la marque la plus innovatrice, specialement du point de vue gadgets de comfort et securite MAIS, c;est pas ca ce que t'as dis. T'as dis que les equipements qu'on retrouve sur le MB sont disponibles sur le japonaises apres 10-12 ans. Grosse difference.
Lexus
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I still see them as Euros (or Jap in Nissan's case)....even though you have a point....now a days, most brands are simply global brands. Parts manufactured pretty much everywhere, lots of partnerships as well....this whole Jap vs German is really just silly IMO, especially now-a-days but it makes for good forum entertainment when extremists show up.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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That's Germans in general, they take something that is complex and make it complicated. That's pretty much why you have almost no choice to bring your VW/Audi or whatever to a VW/Audi specialist.
At the end of the day though they are in fact unreliable cars. Each one of my VWs has left stranded at least once but that might just be because they're all swaps and I beat them like they're filthy whores, so one part just outperforms the other. As far as stock setups go, you need very precise maintenance especially on our turbo engines. One problem is that even VW doesn't use the proper oil for some of its engines which results in big problems down the road, take the BRM diesels for example.
Honestly, you really have to love them to want to put up with their shit. If not, I always recommend jap cars to people who aren't ready for the adventure that is owning a VW.
jeeps005
Active member
Even if they are now global brands, i think most of them hang on to their philosophies. Japs are very modest people and it shows in their cars (reliable, low running cost). Germans on the other hand are more brawny and like to exert their technical superiority. I cannot speak of experience cause i have never owned a euro. I have been tempted a few times and one day I will try. I understand the VW fans in this thread that get butthurt when people say ze germans are crap. the thing is, no matter how unreliable or crappy a car can be, owners still love them. As a teen I used to own a ford contour when most of my friends were driving honda's and vw's. They would always talk so much shit on how much fords were crappy and unreliable. Nevertheless I would always defend it and try to convince them and myself that it wasnt crappy. Its called denial and every fanboy suffers from it.
DJD&G
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Always defended my good ol jetta. And I still do it even if it's at the scrapyard. Back then I was really more of a fanboy but now I just couldn't care less about the brand. Now some people tells me that my truck is crap. I defend it as hard as I did with every single car I owned.
I think it's more called ''being a car enthusiast''.
But in the end: my 2.slow owned that ''so reliable honda''. Engine in my jetta-->original one buddy 97 civic--> 3 different engines LOL
I think it's more called ''being a car enthusiast''.
But in the end: my 2.slow owned that ''so reliable honda''. Engine in my jetta-->original one buddy 97 civic--> 3 different engines LOL
twinturbos
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Thanks for the answer.
I had mine serviced for that about 2 years ago under warranty. I guess they put in the revised timing chain guides ? They told me they changed the timing chain, the weird noise went away and it came back about 3-4 months later.
android25ua
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If I were to pick out the most reliable engines out there, I would say any straight or V6 from Toyota, any straight 6 BMW. Also my 1.8t feels pretty solid.
Don't know what y'all are yabbling about but this is very characteristic of MR, post some stats, then bash each other about cars and engines half of you didn't own.
Don't know what y'all are yabbling about but this is very characteristic of MR, post some stats, then bash each other about cars and engines half of you didn't own.
That thread is for Citizen cars. Ce thread parle de char de citoyen.
Sur MTL racing ya ben des chances qu'on trouve des ricers aussi ben dans l'alemand que dans le JDM.
Si on parle JDM j'ai beaucoup d'histoire d'horreur à conter ex dans le Subaru des transmission qui cassent 2 fois sur garantie, des nissans que le filage électrique fail parce que stock yont mis du gauge 28 dans l'aile gauche pour la gestion moteur etc etc...
Ça va toujours rester pareil pour un JDM driver une Euro c'est pas fiable, pour un Euro driver, un JDM c'est fiable mais c'est cheap chineese tôle qui rouille.
Si vous comparez un CIVIC à une M3 vous êtes pas dedans. Même chose si vous comparez une Comparez une STI à une golf stock à 165$/mois.
Sur MTL racing ya ben des chances qu'on trouve des ricers aussi ben dans l'alemand que dans le JDM.
Si on parle JDM j'ai beaucoup d'histoire d'horreur à conter ex dans le Subaru des transmission qui cassent 2 fois sur garantie, des nissans que le filage électrique fail parce que stock yont mis du gauge 28 dans l'aile gauche pour la gestion moteur etc etc...
Ça va toujours rester pareil pour un JDM driver une Euro c'est pas fiable, pour un Euro driver, un JDM c'est fiable mais c'est cheap chineese tôle qui rouille.
Si vous comparez un CIVIC à une M3 vous êtes pas dedans. Même chose si vous comparez une Comparez une STI à une golf stock à 165$/mois.
montrealv8
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Not really surprised to be honest. I swear each time you see a stranded car on the road it's a VW, not an old Honda, Chevy, Ford or Toyota it's always a VW that's enough to keep me away from them, that and their horrible customer service lol.
No way; yesterday night on 15north I saw a stranded echo, last week a 2004 civic with the frond driver side Wheel compleetly off (probably a stripped balljoint.)
Do you never se it ? just type Honda ball joint fail on Google. Then retry with replacing Honda for VW just for fun
Do you never se it ? just type Honda ball joint fail on Google. Then retry with replacing Honda for VW just for fun
Lexus
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while I can say that the majority have been euros, I've seen stranded cars from pretty much every brand out there. An hour ago, on the 15south to 30west ramp there was a 03-08 Corolla stranded. Why, not sure, it's possible it was out of gas also but the chances for that are kinda slim. Every car out there can break down.
budzz90
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common lol . compare fkng shitbox honda with few relay , manual seats , with 20 yo trottle body system , 2 sensors , 1 o2 sensor,,,,, to some cars with full electrical seats in 5 positions adjustment , with cooling trottle body , with cooling alternator , with 4 02 sensors , with 30 relays and 50 fuses , with programble key etc etc etc .
20k jap fans-- plzz take a seat!!!!!
je pense que t'en a manqué un bout....
comme ca tu devrais etre en mesure de voir.
On parle de moteurs.. pas de siege manuel et de clé programmable...
A lire des commentaires comme le tiens, ca me rappelle pourquoi je ne viens presque plus sur MR.. tout le monde connait tout, tout le monde a raison.