This guy rules. (Israel vs. Lebanon)

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I will possibly take apart some of your posts peice by piece later.
but for now i will say Yes there is no point "arguing" with a guy like me
as there is no point for me trying to convert your ways of thinking.

But i post this stuff for the impressionable young N.a minds,
so they don't just jump on the cool current trendy political bandwagon
aka its all israel's fault.
if there are any even others reading this crap thread :p just us guys post'n now!

here some History cause i know it will make you all crazy!

Arab-Israeli wars

A day after the declaration of independence of the State of Israel, armies of five Arab countries, Egypt, Syria, Transjordan, Lebanon and Iraq, invaded Israel. This marked the beginning of the War of Independence.


Arab states have jointly waged four full scale wars against Israel:
-1948 War of Independence
-1956 Sinai War
-1967 Six Day War
-1973 Yom Kippur War

Despite the numerical superiority of the Arab armies, Israel defended itself each time and won.

After each war Israeli army withdrew from most of the areas it captured. This is unprecedented in World history and shows Israel's willingness to reach peace even at the risk of fighting for its very existence each time anew.

Note that with Judea and Samaria Israel is only 40 miles wide. Thus, Israel can be crossed from the Mediterranean coast to the Eastern border at Jordan river within one hour of driving.

i know i know it's all israel's fault....

those dirty occupiers that give back land they died for
only to have some more die the next time some neighboring country decides to try & annihilate the whole country of israel..
those bastards :bigup:
 
i know i know it's all israel's fault....

those dirty occupiers that give back land they died for
only to have some more die the next time some neighboring country decides to try & annihilate the whole country of israel..
those bastards :bigup:

"When our Zionist fathers decided to set up a 'safe haven' in Palestine, they had a choice between two ways:

"They could appear in West Asia as a European conqueror, who sees himself as a bridge-head of the 'white' race and a master of the 'natives', like the Spanish Conquistadores and the Anglo-Saxon colonists in America. That is what the Crusaders did in Palestine.

"The second way was to consider themselves as an Asian nation returning to its home - a nation that sees itself as an
heir to the political and cultural heritage of the Semitic race, and which is prepared to join the peoples of the Semitic region in their war of liberation from European exploitation."

As is well known, the State of Israel, which was established a few months later, chose the first way. It gave its hand to colonial France, tried to help Britain to return to the Suez Canal and, since 1967, has become the little sister of the United States.

-http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14717.htm
 
*blah* Here Defend this murderous hate you weak ass'd terrorist apologists

"
In a speech aired February 18, according to the Middle East Media Research Institute,
Sheik Nasrallah said, "This American administration is an enemy.
Our motto, which we are not afraid to repeat year after year,
is: 'Death to America.' "


In a speech broadcast the next day, he cited the Iranian Supreme Leader and preached,
"We are not interested in our own personal security. On the contrary,
each of us lives his days and nights hoping more than anything to be killed for the sake of Allah.
The most honorable death is to be killed."


A Hezbollah statement in 1992 vowed,
"It is an open war until the elimination of Israel and until the death of the last Jew on earth."
In 2002, Sheik Nasrallah was quoted by the Lebanon Daily Star as encouraging Jews to move to Israel.
"If they all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide,"
he was quoted as saying.
http://www.nysun.com/pf.php?id=10439

:squintfin Fuk his & your couch's.
What a Fk'n COWARDLY PEICE OF SUB HUMAN GARBAGE
"open war until the end of israel"
but then the biotch goes Whining like a SCHOOL GIRL for a UN CEASE FIRE
when he gets what he wanted "Open war"
(thats a historicaly typical arab combat move btw ) *owned*

he was just on lebanese tv too saying he's in hiding cause the israeli's will kill him if he's found

The only Freedom this murdering hack will ever give lebanon will be when he is martyred.
hopefully in the form of a stroke while taking a dump, hiding in his cave :p
I hope all his Virgins are FAt & hairy too :bigup:

DEATH to NAsrallah, he wants it, he loves it. I hope the IDF gives him what he wants.

if you Read this whole article it has great detail on lebanons PUPPET SYRIAN PM/ GOV
you guys are all fk israel, when in fact YOU were Occuppied by SYRIA for the last few decades , retards! :rolleyes:
 
you've made your position clear and we disagree with you.

at the end of the day, when everyone said what they have to say, the reality remains that palestinians and lebanese have died, and are continuing to die, in much larger numbers at the hands of israel than israelis at the hands of palestinians or lebanese. and their lands are occupied, israeli land is not occupied. they hold thousands of political prisoners without charge (including members of the democratically elected Hamas government), while palestinians hold one soldier and the lebanese hezbollah holds two more in the hopes of negotiating a prisonner exchange with israel.

that said, i don't agree with all of nasrallah comments. some of them are definitely counterproductive but you need to ask yourself why? because israel has violated and continues to violate both palestinians and lebanese, because israel is the aggressor and its actions are absolutely indefensible.

ps: if you want to have a serious discussion you should write in proper english. copy & paste can only take you so far.
 
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*blah* Here Defend this murderous hate you weak ass'd terrorist apologists

"
In a speech aired February 18, according to the Middle East Media Research Institute,
Sheik Nasrallah said, "This American administration is an enemy.
Our motto, which we are not afraid to repeat year after year,
is: 'Death to America.' "


In a speech broadcast the next day, he cited the Iranian Supreme Leader and preached,
"We are not interested in our own personal security. On the contrary,
each of us lives his days and nights hoping more than anything to be killed for the sake of Allah.
The most honorable death is to be killed."


A Hezbollah statement in 1992 vowed,
"It is an open war until the elimination of Israel and until the death of the last Jew on earth."
In 2002, Sheik Nasrallah was quoted by the Lebanon Daily Star as encouraging Jews to move to Israel.
"If they all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide,"
he was quoted as saying.
http://www.nysun.com/pf.php?id=10439

:squintfin Fuk his & your couch's.
What a Fk'n COWARDLY PEICE OF SUB HUMAN GARBAGE
"open war until the end of israel"
but then the biotch goes Whining like a SCHOOL GIRL for a UN CEASE FIRE
when he gets what he wanted "Open war"
(thats a historicaly typical arab combat move btw ) *owned*

he was just on lebanese tv too saying he's in hiding cause the israeli's will kill him if he's found

The only Freedom this murdering hack will ever give lebanon will be when he is martyred.
hopefully in the form of a stroke while taking a dump, hiding in his cave :p
I hope all his Virgins are FAt & hairy too :bigup:

DEATH to NAsrallah, he wants it, he loves it. I hope the IDF gives him what he wants.

if you Read this whole article it has great detail on lebanons PUPPET SYRIAN PM/ GOV
you guys are all fk israel, when in fact YOU were Occuppied by SYRIA for the last few decades , retards! :rolleyes:

Thats great.. quotes from an angry man.

I rather hear fowl language and racist remarks than the killing of 800+ innocent people in only 4 weeks.

Israel is trying to push out the habitants of that nation by providing unbarable living conditions. Palestinians are the people of that land and so are jews, but that does not give the right for them to claim it as their own.

And even if in a hypothetical world, that land 100% belonged to the Jews, then, it still does not in any manner justify the treatment that is given to the palestinians like they are a lesser race.

Israel is the new nazi.. and is comparable to everything they have done. Remember the "ghettos" in WW2 , where all the jews were sent off to die cuz of the harsh living conditions... hmm.. that sounds kind of familiar with the way Israel treat innocent women and children today. I could go on.. but your just gonna cut and paste something new.. then the whole process will repeat itself.

As far as im concerned, im not gonna waste my time anymore arguing with one person who can't even for a second admit, that a even to the slightest degree, that just maybe some.. and only some of Israels actions are bit too extreme.

This is the last post on this topic by me.. anyone care to join me.. please do so.. im getting tired of Illuminance one sided ideology.

Adieu
 
Thats great.. quotes from an angry man.

I rather hear fowl language and racist remarks than the killing of 800+ innocent people in only 4 weeks.

Israel is trying to push out the habitants of that nation by providing unbarable living conditions. Palestinians are the people of that land and so are jews, but that does not give the right for them to claim it as their own.
Adieu


:bigup: i said the same earlier, but my post got deleted, i dunno why. I thought it was a democratic forum with freedom of speech:run:
anyways, i agree with u kimosabe
 
*blah* Here Defend this murderous hate you weak ass'd terrorist apologists

"
In a speech aired February 18, according to the Middle East Media Research Institute,
Sheik Nasrallah said, "This American administration is an enemy.
Our motto, which we are not afraid to repeat year after year,
is: 'Death to America.' "


In a speech broadcast the next day, he cited the Iranian Supreme Leader and preached,
"We are not interested in our own personal security. On the contrary,
each of us lives his days and nights hoping more than anything to be killed for the sake of Allah.
The most honorable death is to be killed."


A Hezbollah statement in 1992 vowed,
"It is an open war until the elimination of Israel and until the death of the last Jew on earth."
In 2002, Sheik Nasrallah was quoted by the Lebanon Daily Star as encouraging Jews to move to Israel.
"If they all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide,"
he was quoted as saying.
http://www.nysun.com/pf.php?id=10439

:squintfin Fuk his & your couch's.
What a Fk'n COWARDLY PEICE OF SUB HUMAN GARBAGE
"open war until the end of israel"
but then the biotch goes Whining like a SCHOOL GIRL for a UN CEASE FIRE
when he gets what he wanted "Open war"
(thats a historicaly typical arab combat move btw ) *owned*

he was just on lebanese tv too saying he's in hiding cause the israeli's will kill him if he's found

The only Freedom this murdering hack will ever give lebanon will be when he is martyred.
hopefully in the form of a stroke while taking a dump, hiding in his cave :p
I hope all his Virgins are FAt & hairy too :bigup:

DEATH to NAsrallah, he wants it, he loves it. I hope the IDF gives him what he wants.

if you Read this whole article it has great detail on lebanons PUPPET SYRIAN PM/ GOV
you guys are all fk israel, when in fact YOU were Occuppied by SYRIA for the last few decades , retards! :rolleyes:


Wow! stupid retards that believe in cnn's western media shit still exist !? Nasrallah has many jew friends, he is not against jews, he is ( like every reasonable person) agains the terrorists. Those terrorists are so powerfull that they now claim to have a land. That ''so called'' land is Isreal. Palestine is an occupied contry, though foreigners will leave...and then palestinians muslims, christians and jews will live in peace.
The reason why the army of Syria was in lebanon has been proven to us during the lebanon-israel war: the lebanese ''official'' army can be beaten by the police of Laval!!! If Syria's army would've stay in Lebanon, there would have been no war since israel is afraid of the Syria/Iran power. The reason why is Nasrallah is talking about America is that usa gives weapons to israel( including forbiden weapons that they generously used and nuclear weapons).
But he never said dead to america this is false.
One last thing, who demanded for a cease of fire because their army was getting the bigest defeat of their history??? The real numbers are nearly 500 dead israeli soldiers and 150 destroyed tanks. That makes me remember the vietnam war...
 

i dont know this guy nsarallah or whatever , but by replying only with smiley's while trying to riducule him only makes u look worst.

i can copy paste propaganda all night long . u need to start comming up with real reply's or answers
 
i dont know this guy nsarallah or whatever , but by replying only with smiley's while trying to riducule him only makes u look worst.

i can copy paste propaganda all night long . u need to start comming up with real reply's or answers

what? do you even know what you're posting or u only do it to ridcule me?

bassir said some rediculous stuff & called me a "stupid retard" this is what nasralla has said:

Sheik Nasrallah said, "This American administration is an enemy.
Our motto, which we are not afraid to repeat year after year,
is: 'Death to America.' "


In a speech broadcast the next day, he cited the Iranian Supreme Leader and preached,
"We are not interested in our own personal security. On the contrary,
each of us lives his days and nights hoping more than anything to be killed for the sake of Allah.
The most honorable death is to be killed."


A Hezbollah statement in 1992 vowed,
"It is an open war until the elimination of Israel and until the death of the last Jew on earth."
In 2002, Sheik Nasrallah was quoted by the Lebanon Daily Star as encouraging Jews to move to Israel.
"If they all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide,"
he was quoted as saying.
http://www.nysun.com/pf.php?id=10439

How can i not laught at that...?

why don't you go back to page 1 & Read this thread instead of tearing after me & everything i say!?
:dunno:
 
^^ relax buddy , i aint trying to ridicule no1 , but so far all u did in the entire thread is copy paste shit and just now only put smileys.

i mean , if u want people to listen to u and beleive u at least take the time to answer.

thats all i'm saying , dont get ur panty's in a bunch
 
^

bro it's not like i said
WTF ARE YOU TRYING TO RIDICULE ME !$@#%@$$^ AGHHHH!!
^ thats upset e-yelling!
why you so sensitive.. :dunno:

speaking of panty's all in a twist
your all sensitive & shiat, is your man'gina bleading?
is it your time of the month?

:clap:
 
^

bro it's not like i said
WTF ARE YOU TRYING TO RIDICULE ME !$@#%@$$^ AGHHHH!!
^ thats upset e-yelling!
why you so sensitive.. :dunno:

speaking of panty's all in a twist
your all sensitive & shiat, is your man'gina bleading?
is it your time of the month?

:clap:

now ur trying to flip the shit on me lol. whatever man *tu*
 
i'll say it one last time. illuminance, you have no education, no credibility, nor can you write english properly.

i'd love to see you in a live debate, you'd get eaten alive.

ps: it's spelt "bleeding" and "organization" :rolleyes:
you should probably stick to copying & pasting because what you type makes little, if any, sense. case in point:

illuminance said:
im sorry my choice of wording & rhetorical questions
made me seem even more ignorant with even less credibility to you

you can call it national socialism if you like,
but it's like calling a terrorist orginization a "social structure" to the lebanese community with just a "small military wing'"

i'm done wasting my time with you. goodbye.







*edit for those who want to hear more from George Galloway*

Hizbullah's victory has transformed the Middle East
 
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i'll say it one last time. illuminance, you have no education, no credibility, nor can you write english properly.

i'd love to see you in a live debate, you'd get eaten alive.
well maybe to your biased mind i am an uneducated nothing, with no creds.
but it i think to the unbiased young mind you are the ones coming off as uneducated with no cred's!!

and who made you the supreme dicator & sole deciding factor as to who has credibility & education on mr or just in this thread? :p

as for live debating. I've never attended one, but i have been to court more times then i can count.
and have had 90%+ success "debating" my Defence in the situations i found myself in.
this was in the flesh, with live auration MTLVR6, no copy & pasting allowed :p


ps: it's spelt "bleeding" and "organization" :rolleyes:
you should probably stick to copying & pasting because what you type makes little, if any, sense. case in point:
i'm done wasting my time with you. goodbye.

:rofl:
are you perhaps getting tired of "debating" the middle east conflict
or "imperialist, zionist, terrorist occupation" as you seem to call it?

were you perhaps hoping to goad me into nothing more then hurling insults?



*edit for those who want to hear more from George Galloway*

Hizbullah's victory has transformed the Middle East

MTLVR6 the article you posted is ripe with rhetoric & blatant pro hez propaganda..

"Reports that the Hizbullah leader, Hassan Nasrallah,
expressed regret this week at having underestimated Israel's reponse to the capture of two of its soldiers were misleading.

In fact, Nasrallah thanked God that the attack came when the resistance movement was prepared,
as he was convinced Israel would have otherwise invaded later in the year at a time of its choosing."


how rediculous! the man was on Lebanese national T.V saying he's regretful!
but no now it's a missleading report!?

galloway he's Not in league with reality!
:rofl: *owned*
 
ok Back on topic with this "debate".
even though to theres not much to debate:

Nasrallah ‘did not think’ act would spark war
Hezbollah leader says he wouldn’t have ordered Israeli soldiers’ capture

“We did not think, even 1 percent, that the capture would lead to a war at this time and of this magnitude. You ask me, if I had known on July 11 ... that the operation would lead to such a war, would I do it? I say no, absolutely not,” he said in an interview with Lebanon’s New TV station
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14543465/

wow guy believed his own propaganda too much: "jews are weak nothings"
so i can attack their country & get away clean!

^ he's not in league with reality.
talk about Not having any sort of "logic or understanding"
sounds to me like back tracking & apologizing for what he started
and the destruction it brought "his people"!



Hamas Lawmaker Says Palestinians To Blame For Situation In Gaza

August 29, 2006 7:00 a.m. EST


Ryan R. Jones - All Headline News Middle East Correspondent
Jerusalem, Israel (AHN) - In an uncharacteristic display of self-criticism, a senior Hamas government official Sunday said the current abysmal living conditions in the Gaza Strip were caused by a "bacteria of stupidity" inflicting the Palestinians, and not by Israeli actions, as so many claim
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7004685583

Rare! this man is in league with reality, as "the blame game" can only get you so far!

Can you show me an example of what the teaching is in the schools?

Well, here, this is a book, Hadeeth, for ninth grade. Hadeeth is a statement of Prophet Mohammed. This is a book that starts for ninth graders. This is talking about the victory of Muslims over Jews. This is a Hadeeth that I truly believe it's not true, as a Muslim:

"The day of judgment will not arrive until Muslims fight Jews, and Muslim will kill Jews until the Jew hides behind a tree or a stone. Then the tree and the stone will say, 'Oh Muslim, oh, servant of God, this is a Jew behind me. Come and kill him.' Except one type of a tree, which is a Jew tree. That will not say that." This is taught for 14-year-old boys in Saudi Arabia.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saudi/interviews/ahmed.html

perhaps this the infection the hammas guy speaks of!?
the Wahhabi'ist infection! taught & Funded through massively from Saudi oil money!


now can any of you say anything to these other then to call me uneducated
seriously :dunno:
 
IDF commander: We fired more than a million cluster bombs in Lebanon
By Meron Rappaport
Haaretz

"What we did was insane and monstrous, we covered entire towns in cluster bombs," the head of an IDF rocket unit in Lebanon said regarding the use of cluster bombs and phosphorous shells during the war.

Quoting his battalion commander, the rocket unit head stated that the IDF fired around 1,800 cluster bombs, containing over 1.2 million cluster bomblets.

In addition, soldiers in IDF artillery units testified that the army used phosphorous shells during the war, widely forbidden by international law. According to their claims, the vast majority of said explosive ordinance was fired in the final 10 days of the war.

The rocket unit commander stated that Multiple Launch Rocket System (MLRS) platforms were heavily used in spite of the fact that they were known to be highly inaccurate.

MLRS is a track or tire carried mobile rocket launching platform, capable of firing a very high volume of mostly unguided munitions. The basic rocket fired by the platform is unguided and imprecise, with a range of about 32 kilometers. The rockets are designed to burst into sub-munitions at a planned altitude in order to blanket enemy army and personnel on the ground with smaller explosive rounds.

The use of such weaponry is controversial mainly due to its inaccuracy and ability to wreak great havoc against indeterminate targets over large areas of territory, with a margin of error of as much as 1,200 meters from the intended target to the area hit.

The cluster rounds which don't detonate on impact, believed by the United Nations to be around 40% of those fired by the IDF in Lebanon, remain on the ground as unexploded munitions, effectively littering the landscape with thousands of land mines which will continue to claim victims long after the war has ended.

Because of their high level of failure to detonate, it is believed that there are around 500,000 unexploded munitions on the ground in Lebanon. To date 12 Lebanese civilians have been killed by these mines since the end of the war.

According to the commander, in order to compensate for the inaccuracy of the rockets and the inability to strike individual targets precisely, units would "flood" the battlefield with munitions, accounting for the littered and explosive landscape of post-war Lebanon.

When his reserve duty came to a close, the commander in question sent a letter to Defense Minister Amir Peretz outlining the use of cluster munitions, a letter which has remained unanswered.

'Excessive injury and unnecessary suffering'

It has come to light that IDF soldiers fired phosphorous rounds in order to cause fires in Lebanon. An artillery commander has admitted to seeing trucks loaded with phosphorous rounds on their way to artillery crews in the north of Israel.

A direct hit from a phosphorous shell typically causes severe burns and a slow, painful death.

International law forbids the use of weapons that cause "excessive injury and unnecessary suffering", and many experts are of the opinion that phosphorous rounds fall directly in that category.

The International Red Cross has determined that international law forbids the use of phosphorous and other types of flammable rounds against personnel, both civilian and military.
 
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