Bon ou non... NECK brace...

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en competition de karting jen portais un puis il ma eter tres utile. jai flipper puis je suis retomber directement sur la tete .. puis je nai rien au au cou. cest sure ue sa ne tien pas ta tete a ton coup lors dun impact frontale ou lateral comme le hans fait mais sa doit surement pas nuire
 
You can't use a Hans with a 3 point belt. I use a collar because I fractured my neck last year. I also use it when we Kart, for the neck strain. It isn't a replacement for a Hans .
 
I tried to find some place online that could validate your response but was unable to find any. I'm not saying it isn't true, but as you can imagine it would be in my best interest if you could post where you got this stat. Thanks
 
Bon,

Moi j'ai smasher hardcore l'an passer. Donc je peux p-e plus valider que des oui dire d'internet...sur ce qui ce passe avec le cou quand tu as aucune protection...

Hans device = meilleur quand on frappe de face. de coter ca donne pas grand chose.
collet= bon quand tu frappes de coter ou spin en frappant. de face ca donne pas grand choses.

J'aimerais bien voir une étude qui démontre que ca ''increase'' le risque de blessure....Pas une legende urbaine pogner sur internet mais une vrai étude! ca ajoute aucun poide a la tete vu que c'est a la base du cou....

Moi j'ai regler le problemes je portes les deux (hans plus collet) et ca fite parfaitement.

En plus, Le collet aide grandement pour la fatigue du cou dans des courbes avec haut degré de force G.:bigup:

Pour le prix que coute un collet, moi je dirais go for it.
 
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I tried to find some place online that could validate your response but was unable to find any. I'm not saying it isn't true, but as you can imagine it would be in my best interest if you could post where you got this stat. Thanks
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Of course, although this is simple physics:

Pegasus Auto Racing (as an example):

"Can I wear a foam collar or helmet support with a HANS Device?
Yes. Note testing has shown that a foam collar, or helmet support, adds weight to the helmet and the head that must be carried by the neck. This increases the chance of injury. This added weight is carried by the HANS in a crash. Wear a foam collar for comfort, not safety related reasons."
 
I saw that on the Pegasus sales blurb also. It seems more as a sales pitch than something that has statistical merit. I'm looking more for something published by SCCA or other sanctioning body saying that it can injure someone. I'm suprised that no sanctioning body has banned them if this was the case. I understand that you can't protect yourself from all injury . I just don't want to be using something that will injure me.
 
opus said:
I saw that on the Pegasus sales blurb also. It seems more as a sales pitch than something that has statistical merit. I'm looking more for something published by SCCA or other sanctioning body saying that it can injure someone. I'm suprised that no sanctioning body has banned them if this was the case. I understand that you can't protect yourself from all injury . I just don't want to be using something that will injure me.
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A sales pitch ?? Well, if I were selling racing stuff, I would actually want you to BUY a neck brace (and a Hans Device) not the opposite. I don't think that someone might think that a mere foam collar can actually replace a Hans Device or other head and neck supports.

Just look at some videos on the internet. You will see that during an impact, your head is violently smashed ahead horizontally. This means that the weight of both the helmet AND the neck brace will have to be supported by the neck.
 
Still can't use a Hans device in a street lapping car using a 3 point belt. as I stated before the foam brace isn't a replacement for a Hans device.That would be retarded. I'm looking for a reason that the neck brace shouldn't ever be used and I'm not convinced yet. I wear a Hans device when i drive full race cars. I use a neck brace in Karts and when I lap my street car and you have me worried that it shouldn't be used at all. Just out of curiosity,I just weighed my brace and it weighs all of 46grams .
 
J-G, arrete de t'ostiner pour rien...pis achete tes fans...:thefinger

Well. As i stated, i crash last year....Front impact with spin...with no neck protection. Once you actually crash like a crash test dummies you will take anything that can help you out for a crash.

I crash with an Honda-michelin at Ste-croix. Full cage, racing seat, 6 point harness.

Ii hit a concrete wall at high speed while spinning a little bit. So i crash the front first and than spin. My neck went forward at the maximum extension possible and than to the left when the car start spinning after the first hit. My head when outside the windows on the horizontal position. Enought that i saw the side of the car...and i was strapped in a racing seat with a 6 point harness properly install and use. THe hans would have help for the first part but would not have help for the spin part....


Here`s my point of view:
-Weight of the helmet vs neck collar weight
-Position of the neck collar vs the helmet.

Simple physic.

On s'entend que le poid a la base du cou n'impacte en rien la velocité de la tete lors de l'impacte. Si tu prend le meme poid et tu le met a la base d'un objet en mouvement la force sera enormement moins grande que si tu le met au bout du mouvement....Meilleur exemple est quand tu essais de déviser quelque chose et que ca marche pas tu rajoute un manche plus long ou un plus long outils et ca marche comme par magie..

Donc au prix que ca coute moi je penses que tous le monde devrait en prendre un et acheter un casque plus leger...
 
Were you okay? Any after effects? I agree about the light weight helmet. I used to have a Simpson Speedway shark, and it was fantastic. It also happened to be the same helmet that Greg Moore had on when he was killed. Can't eliminate everything I guess.
 
Notez que 46 grammes à 25 Gs, ça fait plus d'un kilogramme.

Je serais curieux de voir le recherches sur l'incidence du port d'une ceinture trois points sur les fractures de la base du cou. J'aurais tendance à croire qu'elle doivent être plus rares qu'avec un harnais. Puisque le reste du corps peut bouger d'avantage, le cou subit peut-être une extension moindre. En augmentant la sécurité dans un secteur, on a peut-être augmenté un autre risque (néanmoins moins grand que l'éjection).

Si vous en êtes à vous payer un HANS (une bonne chose), je recommanderais un siège avec support latéral sur l'appuie-tête, de même que des filets gauche et droite.
 
Moi je peux vous dire que quand je suis dans une voiture sans mon HANS, j'ai l'impression qu'il me manque quelque chose et je ne suis pas aussi confortable.
 
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