The Video The US Army Doesn't Want You To See *Warning*

^ i don't think you understand my point, but whatever. you,re right it's not the point of the thread.

to get back on thread, my history teacher always told me: nothing better for the economy of a country than to go to war.

Pancakes said:

We can all talk about it, see it, NO ONE will do ANYTHING at all to stop it.


Sorry guys but what there doing right now is the reason we all sleep and eat at night.

The war economy and the control of oil in the middle east is the only thing thats keeping the united states afloat right now. If the states goes under, so does Canada, meaning you and me.

You put hillbilly trigger happy soldiers with the basic sexual needs and power. Sorry but what the fuck do you expect?

This is reality people. Cry about it as much as you want. This freedom that the united states talks about is not about safety, its the freedom to continue to live with high standards that most people live.

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The reality of this war is basically very very simple if you understand the hidden concept !

The US Elite does not care if America wins or looses, since it has no bearing on their daily lives and America is not being attacked or bombed like in London in WWII. The only thing they are concerned about is that ammunition is being used, tanks being destroyed and replaced, planes crashing and being replaced ...it is a war of "consumption" that makes their corporations thrive. By involving NATO adds more business to their plate when their equipment also need replacing ! they don't care a fuck on how many young men and women perishes, the more the merrier for them ...see the point ?

USA and Israel = terrorist !!! Their soldiers act like stupid asshole who are playing at Counter-Strike or something like that...

sigh...i hate the world we live in

aj4j said:

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Impressive video. I think that the public opinion of this war would be much different if all middle-easterns weren't automatically associated with Islam.

Thing is, a lot of people associate Islamics with terrorists that are out to destroy the western world and in turn, since they seem to want to impose their way of life on us, we don't like them.

Essentially, remove "religion" from the equation and a lot of public opinion would change.

Problem is, I doubt that our governments WANT to remove religion from the equation.

Pancakes said:

We can all talk about it, see it, NO ONE will do ANYTHING at all to stop it.


Sorry guys but what there doing right now is the reason we all sleep and eat at night.

The war economy and the control of oil in the middle east is the only thing thats keeping the united states afloat right now. If the states goes under, so does Canada, meaning you and me.

You put hillbilly trigger happy soldiers with the basic sexual needs and power. Sorry but what the fuck do you expect?

This is reality people. Cry about it as much as you want. This freedom that the united states talks about is not about safety, its the freedom to continue to live with high standards that most people live.

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Absolutely correct!.....We can bitch and moan about the cruelty of war but the reality is far beyond us.

Our troops deserve some respect.

lord_galathon said:

Impressive video. I think that the public opinion of this war would be much different if all middle-easterns weren't automatically associated with Islam.

Thing is, a lot of people associate Islamics with terrorists that are out to destroy the western world and in turn, since they seem to want to impose their way of life on us, we don't like them.

Essentially, remove "religion" from the equation and a lot of public opinion would change.

Problem is, I doubt that our governments WANT to remove religion from the equation.

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One thing you have to understand is what unites the mujahideen (freedom fighters), it's the religion of Islam. Islam is a way of life for them, it's universal. Doctors, engineers, lawyers, laborers, educated, uneducated, people from all walks of life, countries, race, color join in on the jihad. That's why you can never win over a people like them.

The public opinion you speak of is influenced by the mainstream media. The media of our country will NOT speak in favor of the "opposition" because our troops are there. That's why the people see only 2 groups; 1 good (us) 1 bad (them). Forget the corruption of our media, I'm just speaking on basis of a natural media. (yeah right).

Anyways, religion is not the problem, evil will be there no matter what. Chinese, Russians are as evil as their religious counterparts. If having no religion brought us good, then Hitler, Stalin n the likes wouldn't be seen as devil's children. (oops, devil is part of religion is it? LOL )

dave_fonz_164 said:

Absolutely correct!.....We can bitch and moan about the cruelty of war but the reality is far beyond us.

Our troops deserve some respect.

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Respect is one thing but justifying war just because the reality of war is far beyond us just wrong, it's disgusting.

We can't justify the horrible things that war brings just cuz a war is supposed to be that way. It's just a filthy n selfish way of living. The least we can do is make people aware and protest. That's the LEAST.

bring Canadian troops home ... that Harper deserves a severe beating and to be hung in public

aj4j said:

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Anyways, religion is not the problem, evil will be there no matter what. Chinese, Russians are as evil as their religious counterparts. If having no religion brought us good, then Hitler, Stalin n the likes wouldn't be seen as devil's children. (oops, devil is part of religion is it? LOL )

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Actually I'm forced to disagree; Religion has always been the problem. Back to the crusades and before, historically more people lost their lives because of religious differences than because of all other reasons combined except maybe disease and being forced to watch reality shows.

But the issue now and for the last decade or so is the western perception of Islam. I'm not Islamic and to be blatantly honest, I'm quite intolerant when it comes to people coming in MY house (Canada for instance) and forcing their ways on me like Islam seems to, quite forcefully.

On the other hand, if you remove this from the equation and begin seeing THE PEOPLE as families and individuals with each their own strengths, weaknesses, beliefs and individualities then you can change the opinion of lots of westerners.

I think that if "the insurgents" changed the name of their "operation" from Jihad to something more marketable, they would score lots of people points.

And ultimately, people points (and money, sex, weapons) are what lead the world.

aj4j said:

Respect is one thing but justifying war just because the reality of war is far beyond us just wrong, it's disgusting.

We can't justify the horrible things that war brings just cuz a war is supposed to be that way. It's just a filthy n selfish way of living. The least we can do is make people aware and protest. That's the LEAST.

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Definately not justifying acts of cruelty. However, unless you have served abroad and truly understand why the troops are there, we cant really point the finger and say all soldiers are dumb asses and our mission in the middle east is a total waste of time.

Pancakes said:

We can all talk about it, see it, NO ONE will do ANYTHING at all to stop it.


Sorry guys but what there doing right now is the reason we all sleep and eat at night.

The war economy and the control of oil in the middle east is the only thing thats keeping the united states afloat right now. If the states goes under, so does Canada, meaning you and me.

You put hillbilly trigger happy soldiers with the basic sexual needs and power. Sorry but what the fuck do you expect?

This is reality people. Cry about it as much as you want. This freedom that the united states talks about is not about safety, its the freedom to continue to live with high standards that most people live.

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Dude are you absolutely brain dead or something? I don't even know what to say... You honestly think we're at war? You really think that Afghanistan is really a worldly threat upon us? You do realize that if every soldier causing genocide there would come home that Afghanistan would finally have some peace and quiet for once?

What are we doing there? What's our REAL main purpose? Money, Profit, Oil, Genocide. It's the NWO's plan to wipe out those countries and make it our own, NWO is the new hitler and as we all know - History repeats itself.

This war has ABSOLUTELY ZERO to do with any form of freedom, So if you really think soldiers being in Afghanistan and Iraq etc... Have to do with you sleeping comfortably at night you really must be too far gone. Fuck you sound like a god damned redneck from southern US with that attitude.

WAR against a foreign country only happens when the moneyed classes think they are going to PROFIT from it.

BigMike_Quebec said:

Dude are you absolutely brain dead or something? I don't even know what to say... You honestly think we're at war? You really think that Afghanistan is really a worldly threat upon us? You do realize that if every soldier causing genocide there would come home that Afghanistan would finally have some peace and quiet for once?

What are we doing there? What's our REAL main purpose? Money, Profit, Oil, Genocide. It's the NWO's plan to wipe out those countries and make it our own, NWO is the new hitler and as we all know - History repeats itself.

This war has ABSOLUTELY ZERO to do with any form of freedom, So if you really think soldiers being in Afghanistan and Iraq etc... Have to do with you sleeping comfortably at night you really must be too far gone. Fuck you sound like a god damned redneck from southern US with that attitude.

WAR against a foreign country only happens when the moneyed classes think they are going to PROFIT from it.

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I think what he means by freedom is financial luxury and living a good life.

dave_fonz_164 said:

I think what he means by freedom is financial luxury and living a good life.

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It still has absolutely nothing to do with that though, It's not like Afghanistan or Iraq are a fucking threat to us, Our "Freedom" is our Choice, If we choose to prosper in life then that's our choice, It's our decisions that determine our consequences. If we're stupid and do something unlawful we have to take responsibility for our actions - It's OUR choice what we do. Soldiers causing mass genocide in a foreign country have nothing to do with my choices in life.

I don't sleep well at night cause of soldiers raping and killing women and teenagers, I sleep well at night cause I've got a comfy bed and food in my belly, All because of choices I've made.

BigMike_Quebec said:

It still has absolutely nothing to do with that though, It's not like Afghanistan or Iraq are a fucking threat to us, Our "Freedom" is our Choice, If we choose to prosper in life then that's our choice, It's our decisions that determine our consequences. If we're stupid and do something unlawful we have to take responsibility for our actions - It's OUR choice what we do. Soldiers causing mass genocide in a foreign country have nothing to do with my choices in life.

I don't sleep well at night cause of soldiers raping and killing women and teenagers, I sleep well at night cause I've got a comfy bed and food in my belly, All because of choices I've made.

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I think what he meant was that we sleep at night BECAUSE of the WAR. Without a war there, those resources would of cost us even more than what we pay today. Without a western force in that region to extract the resources, we wouldn't have all the luxuries we have today.

OR maybe you're right, maybe he does believe Iraq and Afghanistan are threats, for that he is ignorant.

north american have long ago forgot what freedom means, can't fucking believe it how some people can be so ignorantly spoiled...

this «war» in the middle east, isn't the reason of my freedom, perhaps it is the reason of my life abusing lifestyle and being 1000X more wealthy than I need to be alive and free...

We're just a bunch of pigs fueling this war in the end...

lord_galathon said:

Actually I'm forced to disagree; Religion has always been the problem. Back to the crusades and before, historically more people lost their lives because of religious differences than because of all other reasons combined except maybe disease and being forced to watch reality shows.

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I disagree. I can give you countless examples where empires have killed in the name of greed, power and economic reasons and NOT for religion. The largest empire the world has seen, the British empire didn't use religion as a reason to slaughter millions and conquer land from America, Caribbean, Africa, Asia(India), Australia.. It was due to greed, power, politics, and of course resources $$$$.. I can go on, the Mongols, the Romans, Chinese dynasties, Khmer Rouge, Red Indians, Americans (civil war+all over world), WW1, WW2 Hitler, Stalin, USSR, Cold war, Vietnam, Japan, ATOM BOMBS............ they didn't drop Bibles with the bombs now did they? [look up the numbers, i got no time]

All these examples I have given, didn't use religion as their primary reason to cause conflict. They were all for POWER, GREED & ECONOMIC CONTROL. So if you think secularism is any better than religion, think again. It's not what the human identifies with that's the problem, it's the nature of the human to have control, greed, power,..etc which leads to WAR. I can be a politician under a capitalist system and still follow my religion, now which "system" do you think will be the cause of war that I sign for?

Thinking that religion is cause of all wars is a very immature, ignorant and simplistic view. It shows that one who does hold this view, holds of importance only the material, which one can see and touch. I believe the proof is on those who reject religion to disprove it. Not simply by holding it responsible of all conflicts (which most of the time is influenced by today's media and so-called education).

lord_galathon said:

But the issue now and for the last decade or so is the western perception of Islam. I'm not Islamic and to be blatantly honest, I'm quite intolerant when it comes to people coming in MY house (Canada for instance) and forcing their ways on me like Islam seems to, quite forcefully.

On the other hand, if you remove this from the equation and begin seeing THE PEOPLE as families and individuals with each their own strengths, weaknesses, beliefs and individualities then you can change the opinion of lots of westerners.

I think that if "the insurgents" changed the name of their "operation" from Jihad to something more marketable, they would score lots of people points.

And ultimately, people points (and money, sex, weapons) are what lead the world.

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I agree that some people that come here thinking since Canada is such a freedom loving country, they can impose anything, that's just wrong. The government should impose some rules and regulations, clearly outlining the limits.

Why would they need to change the name of their operation. It's like saying, Americans should change "Operation Iraqi Freedom" to "operation Iraqi Slaughter"... Jihad is universally recognized amongst muslims as both a inner struggle with the self and an outer struggle with the oppressors. If that word alone calls upon the whole muslim world to unite, there's no reason to "change it" and I don't think it can be "changed".... Also, they don't need "people points".

They say perception is everything,, but the vehicle used to perceive something matters. Media and the rest you know.

aj4j said:

I think what he meant was that we sleep at night BECAUSE of the WAR. Without a war there, those resources would of cost us even more than what we pay today. Without a western force in that region to extract the resources, we wouldn't have all the luxuries we have today.

OR maybe you're right, maybe he does believe Iraq and Afghanistan are threats, for that he is ignorant.

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So we spend hundreds of billions of dollars a year to support war costs just so we can go and take resources without having to pay for them? Interesting, I don't know about you but I think it would be cheaper to buy whatever we'd need from them instead of causing mass genocide, I mean obviously we need their sand right? ... Uh no sand doesn't sound right... Do we need their broken down houses? uh... No... Hmm ... Maybe water? I can't put my finger on it... Oh wait, Isn't it oil? yeah yeah that's it!

I'm also not touching the subject on religion, I'll be at this shit for hours.

pathétique !

BigMike_Quebec said:

So we spend hundreds of billions of dollars a year to support war costs just so we can go and take resources without having to pay for them? Interesting, I don't know about you but I think it would be cheaper to buy whatever we'd need from them instead of causing mass genocide, I mean obviously we need their sand right? ... Uh no sand doesn't sound right... Do we need their broken down houses? uh... No... Hmm ... Maybe water? I can't put my finger on it... Oh wait, Isn't it oil? yeah yeah that's it!

I'm also not touching the subject on religion, I'll be at this shit for hours.

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Clearly you don't know much about world's resources. Read up on it dude.