La Genesis aux trousses de la Mustang

DivImport said:
With the current potential offering they have in the Genesis line up, I highly doubt that. They're going after the Germans pure and simple.

Acura? FWD Kingdom? Sorry, no way.
Saab? A beat up manufacturer with juiced up AWD galore? Nop. Saab competes with VW, and VW isn't a luxury manufacturer. Audi is.
Lexus? Yes, more like it.

They're not going to develop a luxury brand to tackle 1 manufacturer, that's rubbish. In most of their marketing material for the Sedan they targeted the germans (550i, Porsche Boxster) and ironically they targeted the CLS with the Sonata, LOL (which obviously won't even be in the Genesis lineup).

The Genesis Sedan V8 was upgraded to keep up with the German powerhouse sedans E550, 550i, A6, M56S. The Equus will need to compare with the luxury boats LS460, 750i and the S550.

Acura, Volvo and Saab have no comparable cars to the Genesis Sedan, Coupe and Equus. Hyundai have confirmed AWD development for the Sedan and Coupe. Genesis will be a RWD/AWD luxury manufacturer (sounds familiar? BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, Infiniti).

If you think Hyundai doesn't have the means and ressources or whatever attribute to compete with the Germans and the 2 big JDM luxury brands, that's one thing, but to deny that this is CLEARLY where they're going in the upcoming future with the Genesis label is being horse-eyed.
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Ok calm down, hyundai came out with 1 RWD drive car.. Oh wait so did honda.

You are dreaming if you think these little cars will compare to any premium german brand. But im sure thats what the saleman told you. So i dont blame you.
 
Pillpopper said:
Ok calm down, hyundai came out with 1 RWD drive car.. Oh wait so did honda.

You are dreaming if you think these little cars will compare to any premium german brand. But im sure thats what the saleman told you. So i dont blame you.
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Learn to count moderator.

Genesis Coupe
Genesis Sedan
Equus

3 out of 3 from the Genesis lineup.

Honda has no current RWD offering, nor Acura. What's your point? Right...

These "little" cars? Napolean complex? What is this? LOL 3,400 lbs RWD coupe isn't small by any means.

Objectivity is wonderful, but I must have forgotten we're talking about cars.
 
Ri0uXx said:
hater spoted.
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Pas vraiment...Il a raison...

Il a rien dit de mal contre hyundai, c'est juste qu'en effet des marques

comme Brembo commencent à s'installer dans des véhicules beaucoup plus

de base...On a commencé à les voir surtout sur les G35, 350z etc...Mais la

c'est rendu beaucoup plus populaire, mais ca ne dit pas grand chose de la

qualité générale du véhicule...


Personnellement j'adore la Genesis et je crois qu'un 5 litres dans un petit

frame comme ca serait complètement fou...Reste à voir maintenant...
 
20InchChrome said:
Yes that is true, but the majority of the time people want the German cars. And its evident. Tell me how many GS', LS' and IS' do you see on the roads in comparison to their German counterparts? If Hyundai tries to go after the Germans head on they will end up like Lexus.
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As far as I know, Lexus sell more car than MB, Audi or BMW in USA, it's a peculiar market but still very big. And like the other said, today's lexus are the price of a german (but with a few more standard features), compared to the early 90's where a well equipped LS400 was the price of a Mercedes class E V6 equipped like a corolla (I think casette player was an option, if not the whole radio).
However, the infiniti g37 comes with a 328hp engien standard, while a 335i will be 50k or so.
 
Une chose qui est sure...Hyundai ont vraiment pas rater leur coup pour faire autant de haterz!

Et arrêter de défendre Honda,on se le cachera pas c'est rendu de la grosse marde tout comme Toyota.
 
DivImport said:
Learn to count moderator.

Genesis Coupe
Genesis Sedan
Equus

3 out of 3 from the Genesis lineup.

Honda has no current RWD offering, nor Acura. What's your point? Right...

These "little" cars? Napolean complex? What is this? LOL 3,400 lbs RWD coupe isn't small by any means.

Objectivity is wonderful, but I must have forgotten we're talking about cars.
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I count 2 actually.

Genesis/ Equus ( is it the same platform? )

No need to get all worked up, I am objective; I don't own a genesis or a mustang ;)
 
legendary_racer said:
Right

pis la Equus .. est tu en vente ( en se moment ) avec se qu'il ont promis ?
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The Equus has already been on sale in Korea for years under its own label.

Equus is RWD
Genesis Sedan is RWD with soon to offer AWD
Genesis Coupe is RWD with soon to offer AWD
 
DivImport said:
The Equus has already been on sale in Korea for years under its own label.

Equus is RWD
Genesis Sedan is RWD with soon to offer AWD
Genesis Coupe is RWD with soon to offer AWD
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But is it the same platform, stretched out. So 1 car.

The equus as been on sale in since 99 , but has been rwd since 2009.

Learn to count, user. ;)
 
AcuraBoy said:
Not if the car is 10,000-15,000$ less

THe thing with Lexus, is that their cars are the same price as the BMW

Nobody is going to buy a Genesis if it was the same price as a G37, everyone knows that. THat why the Genesis 3.8 beat the G37 in every review because the difference between the 2 cars are not worth 15,000$ extra from the G37.

If people wants to pay 15,000$ more just for a 85$ badge its their choice.
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The Genesis didn't beat out the G37. It might have come close to what the G37 offers but didn't beat it.

http://www.insideline.com/hyundai/genesis-coupe/2010/comparison-test-2010-hyundai-genesis-coupe-38-vs-2009-infiniti-g37-coupe.html

http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/comparison/2010-hyundai-genesis-coupe-3.8-track-vs.-2009-infiniti-g37-coupe-journey
 
DivImport said:
On a deja fais l'exercice, si tu veux une Mustang V6 equipée comme un Genesis V6 (33 000), tu vas arriver à des prix très semblables.

L'avantage de Ford c'est qu'ils offrent des options à la carte, ce que Hyundai ne fait pas, c'est 2 package, base ou GT, point bar.
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28,000$ is not similar to 33,000$
 
Pillpopper said:
But is it the same platform, stretched out. So 1 car.

The equus as been on sale in since 99 , but has been rwd since 2009.

Learn to count, user. ;)
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LOL, you really want to go there?

From BMW's marketing themselves on the upcoming 1 series and 3 series and platform sharing.

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=359547&page=15

I do not think a manual has been created for this generation of M5 , because of the previous response before which almost took the credibility of the M5 but sacrificed the-then M boss. Of the M5's I have seen they all had an upgraded DCT. Both the manual E60 and E63 are cars the M Division would like to forget.

In a way the new 1er and 3er share the same platform matrix , in this case it is a new modular platform that can be stretched or shrunk and be applied to MINI also. This is a new cost effective platform which means that more proditable variants can be created off one platform, meaning more profitability. This is what BMW has invested in when our competitors were investing in their Sports cars .
Again like Efficient Dynamics we have caught the competition completely offguard and they are scrambling to add to their product mix.
The key important segments for the next decade is the MINI segment , Compact segment , Mid-Compact Sports Sedan segment that is why there will be great expansion within the MINI , Sub-BMW 1er , BMW 1er and 3er model lines.
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So how exactly is platform sharing a bad thing and considered the same car?

Seriously? That's a pathetic argument.


28,000$ is not similar to 33,000$
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A V6 Mustang similarily equipped to a Genesis Coupe 3.8 base (HID, Leather power seats, bluetooth, interior package) comes out to 31,899 before delivery allowance since Ford likes giving away products you get 2,433 for employee discount and 2,000 on delivery allowance. We're comparing MSRPs here, not OTD pricing.

The Mustang is cheaper, yes, but not by much (1000$) which quickly evaporates once you look at their interest rates.

The Genesis didn't beat out the G37. It might have come close to what the G37 offers but didn't beat it.

http://www.insideline.com/hyundai/ge...g37-coupe.html

http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/co...-coupe-journey
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I love how you posted the "dyno" video from insideline as if this was proof of anything. Below is the actual video comparaison when the Genesis edges out the Infiniti G37:

http://www.insideline.com/infiniti/g37s-coupe/2009/videos/2009_infiniti_g37s-coupe_ct_2.html

And it's that value equation the puts the 2010 Genesis Coupe 3.8 on top. You simply get more car for the dollar, it isn't as much car as the G37, but at roughly 2/3 the cost it doesn't have to be
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So, 90% of the performance/luxury for 70% of the cost, believe it now :) ?
 
20InchChrome said:
The Genesis didn't beat out the G37. It might have come close to what the G37 offers but didn't beat it.

http://www.insideline.com/hyundai/genesis-coupe/2010/comparison-test-2010-hyundai-genesis-coupe-38-vs-2009-infiniti-g37-coupe.html

http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/comparison/2010-hyundai-genesis-coupe-3.8-track-vs.-2009-infiniti-g37-coupe-journey
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Je comprend pas :dunno:, tu te contredit?

Dans ton deuxieme lien, le journaliste dit clairmeent que la gagnante en bout de ligne est la Genesis étant donné son cout comparer a la G37??

POur ce qui est de la performance, oui la G37 est supérieure a la Genesis 3.8.

Mais on s'entend que pour 1000$ (CAI+Exhaust) tas la même performance, si pas meilleur
 
DivImport said:
LOL, you really want to go there?

So how exactly is platform sharing a bad thing and considered the same car?

Seriously? That's a pathetic argument.
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tu me fait pencer a quel qu'un mon ( Divimport ) jamella sa te dit quelque chose vous etes probablement de la meme famille
 
legendary_racer said:
Right

pis la Equus .. est tu en vente ( en se moment ) avec se qu'il ont promis ?
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Sa fait 10-11 ans quelle est vendu la Equus lol mais pas encore en amerique du nord,ent-k du moin au canada...mais surement bientot
 
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DivImport said:
A V6 Mustang similarily equipped to a Genesis Coupe 3.8 base (HID, Leather power seats, bluetooth, interior package) comes out to 31,899 before delivery allowance since Ford likes giving away products you get 2,433 for employee discount and 2,000 on delivery allowance. We're comparing MSRPs here, not OTD pricing.

The Mustang is cheaper, yes, but not by much (1000$) which quickly evaporates once you look at their interest rates.



I love how you posted the "dyno" video from insideline as if this was proof of anything. Below is the actual video comparaison when the Genesis edges out the Infiniti G37:

http://www.insideline.com/infiniti/g37s-coupe/2009/videos/2009_infiniti_g37s-coupe_ct_2.html


So, 90% of the performance/luxury for 70% of the cost, believe it now :) ?
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For now the Mustang comes in at under $28K not $32K. This is the price you leave the dealership with. Who cares about MSRP.

The links I posted were not for the dyno but for the written text. They say the G37 performance/handling wise is better. And it's also more luxurious. Whether it's worth it to pay the extra money for the G37 is up to people to decide.


AcuraBoy said:
Je comprend pas :dunno:, tu te contredit?

Dans ton deuxieme lien, le journaliste dit clairmeent que la gagnante en bout de ligne est la Genesis étant donné son cout comparer a la G37??

POur ce qui est de la performance, oui la G37 est supérieure a la Genesis 3.8.

Mais on s'entend que pour 1000$ (CAI+Exhaust) tas la même performance, si pas meilleur
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Il y a deux journalistes dans ce article. Le deuxieme déclare la G37 gagnante.
 
Meme a sa...ont s'en fout tu que la G37 gagnerait? lol est pas mal plus cher anyway......:D
 
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