Take that Gt 5 !!

Rookie_One said:
250rocket just owned everyone on this thread, including me
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od_man99 said:
^250 often owns everyone in a thread.
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Thanks for the Kudos. <- See what I did there.

Seriously if your going to take the time to debate anything whether it's a video game or a life value take some time to properly formulate a full opinion and follow through with examples and proof.

I understand some topics you would want to go more in depth researching but never the less don't half ass an opinion or view because it's easily picked apart and really brings nothing contructive to the discussion.

Then again i do like a good debate. :bigup:
 
250Rocket said:
Thanks for the Kudos. <- See what I did there.

Seriously if your going to take the time to debate anything whether it's a video game or a life value take some time to properly formulate a full opinion and follow through with examples and proof.

I understand some topics you would want to go more in depth researching but never the less don't half ass an opinion or view because it's easily picked apart and really brings nothing contructive to the discussion.

Then again i do like a good debate. :bigup:
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fm3 online suck some serious cock okay the Xbox LIVE is better ill give you that but fm3 got the worst online of the three gt5 beat fm3 online cause of one thing private lobby that everybody can see
 
cool big_mike said:
fm3 online suck some serious cock okay the Xbox LIVE is better ill give you that but fm3 got the worst online of the three gt5 beat fm3 online cause of one thing private lobby that everybody can see
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Again I never said it was perfect, but I'd take that issue for the overall experience.

Again my opinion is slightly biased because I'm pro Xbox Live so I'll leave it at this.

Without taking into consideration the game Xbox beats out PS3 for online communication and play.

Granted the lobby issue, I'll admit specifically in this domain GT5>FM3, they dropped the ball.

Once in game, :dunno: they're equal i guess because it all depends with the kind of people you play with.

I still maintain my overall statement which you can rightfully disagree with because after all it's not fact it's opinion. To me it's a non issue but for some I see how it could be a deal breaker.
 
Personellement jai jouer a forza 3 pendant un petit bout et jai vraiment aimer mais je commencais a etre pas mal tanner. Maintenant je joue a gt5 et je mamuse autant que quand je venait d'acheter forza.

Je trouve ca drole que ca soit les personnes qui ont seulement un xbox qui chiale que ca la prit 3 ans a sortir. Si ca te derange tant que ca qu'un jeu prend du temps a sortir tu devrait peut-etre penser a sortir de chez toi ou jouer a autre chose.....

GT5 est plus complet comme jeu. En plus je joue sur mon "simulateur" de course et avec un tv 3D. Donc oui forza etait un bon jeu mais gt5 est mieux en ce moment.
 
^ cest que y a du mondd qui ont jouer a ces deux jeux pis gt5 sonne comme une tondeuse,le
Tuning est moche et tout les chars se comprotent comme si ils paisaient 5000 livres
 
TechnoViking said:
Personellement jai jouer a forza 3 pendant un petit bout et jai vraiment aimer mais je commencais a etre pas mal tanner. Maintenant je joue a gt5 et je mamuse autant que quand je venait d'acheter forza.

Je trouve ca drole que ca soit les personnes qui ont seulement un xbox qui chiale que ca la prit 3 ans a sortir. Si ca te derange tant que ca qu'un jeu prend du temps a sortir tu devrait peut-etre penser a sortir de chez toi ou jouer a autre chose.....

GT5 est plus complet comme jeu. En plus je joue sur mon "simulateur" de course et avec un tv 3D. Donc oui forza etait un bon jeu mais gt5 est mieux en ce moment.
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T'as de très bonne sources. Je chiale du délai puisque j'avais ma facture depuis la première date de sortie.

Et j'ai aucune idée comment tu peux consciemment jouer sur une TV 3D, j'ai l'impression de jouer sur un PS2.
 
250Rocket said:
Totally biased here. Let me get some facts strait and put out a more plausible theory.

The GT series has been out way longer than FM. It's been out since the days of the original Playstation. The PS2 was huge and the fact that most people bought it with GT3 A-Spec.

Add this to the fact most people didn't buy an xbox and didn't play FM. So technically the first FM was the second when it came out on the X360.

And the biggest reason it sold so many copies the first couple of days is everybody was waiting FOREVER for it. People were still finishing/playing FM2 when FM3 came out. No shit they rushed out to get it release day.



Unrealistic amount of grip? Do race GT cars regularly? To me GT5 feels much more understeer than FM3 feels oversteer/overgrip.

No licenses. You mean no waste of time things that piss you off so much because you raced 2 minutes to be off by 0.001 seconds. I was a big fan of GT3 and GT4, that's one thing I do not miss.

Qualifying. In FM3 if you didn't know puts you in starting position based on your car's Performance Index and by your driver level. Yes it would be nice to actually race to qualify but you don't always start last.

You can't even talk about online because one day it's this another it's that. But with xbox live, cross game chats, and the much better overall experience that the 60$ Gold account provides.... Online FM3 >> GT5. Don't even start with the blah blah it's free. You get what you pay for, most of the time online PS3 is shite. 5$ a month is nothing considering people pay more for a freaking coffee.



Let's get this cleaned up.

Damage, Car models (i.e. working clocks and available interiors), sound and AI are all without a doubt superior in FM3. I mean there might not be 1000 cars and all but every single car has a cockpit view with all features working.

I'm sorry but at the top of my list for driving game is AI. If I want a challenge I can crank up the AI and have them race against me, not just follow a line.

YouTube - Gran Turismo 5 vs. Forza 3 - AI comparison

What I can give GT5 is environment effect and overall track appearance. Much better than FM3, but If you want to compared a new game to a year old game let's compare in a year to FM4. It's easy to say this new game whips an old games ass but it's kind of funny really when a game that was released a year ago is better than a new one.

Finally things that don't matter that GT5 fan bois go on endlessly about.

Photography mode. Yes pretty photos, but is it a photography game or a racing game. FM3 has a basic photo mode to share pics with friends but excels in car tuning/modding and is light years ahead in making custom paint jobs.

YouTube - Forza Motorsport 3 - James Elterman Customization and Livery Editor Doc | HD

YouTube - Takata Time Attack 2010 Livery Contest in Forza Motorsport 3

By no means I'm I saying GT5 is a bad game I'm just saying this once GT fanboi turned FM fanboi because it's simply better. I'd revert to being a GT fanboi if there was something worthwhile to be fanboi about.
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Those videos of the Takata Sti are the gayest thing i've ever seen. So you can desgin a car congrats so can a billion other people amazing.

You need to make up your mind if you want to play a sim or not. Your complaining about Licenses, Qualifying, etc. Last time I checked you can't walk into a full blown race car and track it whenever where you want ever heard of realism? Because GT5 unlike forza is a Sim. Look how happy they are that they can render in a Takata Sti are you kidding me? A fucking 4 year old could do that too. Let me know when Forza has actual real lap times in accordance with real world car testing.

I love how you say for online it's only 60$ for gold multiplied by so many users that pay and yet the servers still crashes/timeouts after endless money dumping back into microsofts hands. So that's a fail

I forgot I buy a sim racing gaming for custom paint.

PS Did you ignore all those FM3 glitch AI videos?
 
XxJDMCivicxX said:
Those videos of the Takata Sti are the gayest thing i've ever seen. So you can desgin a car congrats so can a billion other people amazing.

I forgot I buy a sim racing gaming for custom paint.
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You left out the part about tuning and part swap but anyways, designing a car makes the game that much more deep. I mean seriously, what kind of racecar doesn't have a custom livery. With it you no longer have to wait for designers to make a car, you just start with the model and go.

Take for example Ken Blocks car

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The developers might never make it but people are able to custom paint it and share it with other people. Even things as stupid as the SQ charger are doable

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The Takata design example is butt ugly IMO but I used it to show the level of realism the livery editor can do and the fact that any Joe Shmo could create a half decent design.

So you say it's pointless but I disagree and prefer that you can make it your car and race with it. It beats racing over and over again with the same car.

You need to make up your mind if you want to play a sim or not. Your complaining about Licenses, Qualifying, etc. Last time I checked you can't walk into a full blown race car and track it whenever where you want ever heard of realism? Because GT5 unlike forza is a Sim. Look how happy they are that they can render in a Takata Sti are you kidding me? A fucking 4 year old could do that too. Let me know when Forza has actual real lap times in accordance with real world car testing.
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Yeah last time I checked the professionals didn't need to race around tracks/ parts of track beating pre defined times for Gold/Silver/Bronze. The progression of FM from shitboxes to the race cars feels natural. You don't start off with racecars. You need to build up your driver level to unlock more cars and events.

Seems like your butthurt with the whole custom car thing but if you want lap time similarities just take the Time attack Evo and bring it to Tsukuba. It's official lap record is 53.something, in game it's about the same. And think about it this way, even if the car was perfectly modeled, don't you think a game lap could be done faster because the driver doesn't have the fear/risk of crashing into the wall at 100mph and dying so he can drive it a little more balls out.

I love how you say for online it's only 60$ for gold multiplied by so many users that pay and yet the servers still crashes/timeouts after endless money dumping back into microsofts hands. So that's a fail
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I think your a bit confused and run your mouth before knowing what the reality is. Xbox Live itself is pretty bullet proof. I'm pretty sure what you are referring to is CoD Black Ops that always times out. That is Treyarch's servers that are shit, has nothing to do with Live. They are Black Ops only servers, you connect to them thru Xbox Live and the upkeep is payed with the money you pay for that game, it's done by Treyarch. Xbox live is the framework and each game has it's own specifics. For Forza the servers were actually pretty good.



PS Did you ignore all those FM3 glitch AI videos?
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First of all if I'm thinking of the right ones that has nothing to do with AI and everything to do with track design.

I didn't ignore them it's just it's pointless to mention them because of their reproducing rate. Seriously, the guy had to go in reverse and hit another car head on on a specific section of the track for it to happen. It's the same reason that I didn't mention the GT5 autopilot, It's like 1 in a billion chance.

As far as the lambo, he got off track big deal, developers aren't gods. Halo and Cod are known for that. If it was that bad of a problem you'd hear about it more.

I brought up GT5's crappy AI because that is in play every single second of every single offline race. It's not a glitch, it just lacks robustness. To me that's much worse that a bug.

Anything else?
 
eband00 said:
Lol at the GT5 vs FM3 AI video... Sooooo fabricated. Here is proof:

YouTube - Gran Turismo 5 vs. Forza 3 - AI comparison Debunked
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Touche, so I have new insight on the driving line stupidity. However

Here's some more examples of great AI. If it's not caused by sitting in one location explain this dynamic situation where they get stuck and never correct. Author claims 1 minute.


or I could pull up examples where human interaction is not even needed. B-Spec you can't blame anybody because it's pure AI.




Oh and just a word of precaution, before you go onto Youtube and Post 100 AI "fails" from FM3, ask what level of difficulty it's on and whether the AI was designed to make noob mistakes to allow a level of realism (simulating playing with other noob humans) and allowing the horrible player some justified time to catch up. At expert you sure won't be seeing it.
 
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