F**king Student Protesters

logik23 said:
Again, it's 325$ per year. Someone that starts a 4 year bachelors in September will end up paying 3250$ MORE than someone who's finishing right now. That's a lot of money for most students who don't have rich parents.
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Get a loan and pay off that extra 3k$ in a few months. Unless you're one of those who wants to make a career out of a hobby that's not profitable, well tough luck. I would've done the same thing, played games and wanted to get paid but that's not how it works.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not for the price hike. But I seriously don't give a shit about the poor poor students who claim they can't afford to go to school. I'm simply against the corruption behind the hike, something that students don't give a shit about unless someone barks it out as an argument.
 
Sorry to say, but this just in; protesters didn't care about politics until it affected them. Besides, aside from the industrial amount of corruption every political party take part in, this tuition hike was legitimate and necessary. Period. The reality is that it was a mistake to ever have a tuition freeze. It was about time that it ended, and can receive financing through those would progress through the system. Yes, you will need loans and bursaries. That's the reality. And if this can serve an additional purpose; you won't be f**king around in school going from one useless program to another. It'll now be of utmost importance that you get educated to work for something that brings a decent revenue so you can pay off you student loans.

I am all in favour of socialism, but only to a certain extent. It's put in place to take from the rich and give to the poor...which can be good in doses. But the problem with socialism is that you end up by running out of other people's money.
 
Let me be a little more detailed with a whole lot less sarcasm and name calling so people truly understand my frustration. In b4 TL;DR

In 2012, Quebec is corrupt, we could all agree to that, but I would also like to include the idea that University is no longer a place for pure pursuit of knowledge, it's become a business. You go there, they make money. In the effort to make more money they open up massive amounts of degrees to accommodate those who do not see themselves in a professional or technical field. Just like currency, because we've saturated the market, with graduates in this case, it devalues it and now many people who could have started work 3-4 years ago are in debt and in no better of a position to get hired.

I'm not judging anybody however my Doctor/Engineer/Lawyer statement came from the simple fact that these students are not protesting because they have a high probability of graduating and being able to pay off all their debts in the first year, maybe even half a year. Like was mentioned, they know (to some degree) the inherent corruption of the system but their backs aren't against the wall. They see the fact that they are getting an education for a fraction of what they would any where else, even if doubled, and they don't complain.

Should the students be angry. YES, at themselves for attending university for degrees that will not put them at an advantage to get a job. I'm sorry but I view degrees like art history as hobbies, you go there because you want to, not because you have to. I'm angry because they complain it's to expensive (which it is for what they get in return) but then go spend money on non essentials like concerts. Two options, Sacrifice or hard work, both being something they don't teach anymore.

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Students only care about corruption when it affects them, but everyone else doesn't care about corruption even when it affects them. Who's worse?
 
^^^ agreed. @ 250Rocket

@ Logik23, the students are worse. At least you don't see everyone else busting sh!t up when it doesn't go their way.
 
For once the protest tonight went through Outremont, I didn't have to take the bus to go back home :D

Snail said:
^^^ agreed. @ 250Rocket

@ Logik23, the students are worse. At least you don't see everyone else busting sh!t up when it doesn't go their way.
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That's not even 1% of the students and many casseurs aren't even student probably.
 
Snail said:
^^^ agreed. @ 250Rocket

@ Logik23, the students are worse. At least you don't see everyone else busting sh!t up when it doesn't go their way.
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None of the planned, official students protests caused any damages!

The protests that caused damaged were the one against capitalism, against police brutality, for anarchy, etc

Just because they have red squares, doesn't make them students and doesn't mean students support their actions.
 
logik23 said:
None of the planned, official students protests caused any damages!

The protests that caused damaged were the one against capitalism, against police brutality, for anarchy, etc

Just because they have red squares, doesn't make them students and doesn't mean students support their actions.
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I agree, but disagree. You're right; most of the vandalism is caused by retards who dropped out of highschool years ago. However, many of even the planned protests have turned out violent. Although the organisers may have good intentions, I hear so many students raging about the police and being happy with the results of their intrusive "moyens de pression". Even the leaders of CLASSE, FECQ & FEUQ don't condone the violence that was held during their protests. It's sad, but true.
 
logik23 said:
Students only care about corruption when it affects them, but everyone else doesn't care about corruption even when it affects them. Who's worse?
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The problem is it's so bad it's not fixable. Why invest the time and effort when things are so messed up. People are too dependent on handouts and they want the government to run their lives. What happens in this situation, as it is in Greece, Detroit and California (3 wonderful examples of socialism+corruption) is that the hard working people are chased off (referendum in our case) so they must squeeze more out of regular people to fund the rest of the leeches. Now more people get fed up of this and move, causing another increase all while the welfare-ites and opportunists flock to hand-out central. Continue the loop until societal destruction because just like your computer, nothing short of a reset will fix it.

Personally, I'm just waiting for my girlfriend to finish school before we bounce. In that time (3 years) the government would have stolen enough from me in taxes that I would be able to buy a new EVO in cash. I'll have repayed both our debt to society and the rest can continue swirling downwards in the shit bowl.
 
Snail said:
I agree, but disagree. You're right; most of the vandalism is caused by retards who dropped out of highschool years ago. However, many of even the planned protests have turned out violent. Although the organisers may have good intentions, I hear so many students raging about the police and being happy with the results of their intrusive "moyens de pression". Even the leaders of CLASSE, FECQ & FEUQ don't condone the violence that was held during their protests. It's sad, but true.
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All three leaders condoned the violence! lol

And no, the student protests didn't turn violent.

Stop making stuff up.
 
250Rocket said:
The problem is it's so bad it's not fixable. Why invest the time and effort when things are so messed up. People are too dependent on handouts and they want the government to run their lives. What happens in this situation, as it is in Greece, Detroit and California (3 wonderful examples of socialism+corruption) is that the hard working people are chased off (referendum in our case) so they must squeeze more out of regular people to fund the rest of the leeches. Now more people get fed up of this and move, causing another increase all while the welfare-ites and opportunists flock to hand-out central. Continue the loop until societal destruction because just like your computer, nothing short of a reset will fix it.

Personally, I'm just waiting for my girlfriend to finish school before we bounce. In that time (3 years) the government would have stolen enough from me in taxes that I would be able to buy a new EVO in cash. I'll have repayed both our debt to society and the rest can continue swirling downwards in the shit bowl.
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Where will you go?
 
logik23 said:
Where will you go?
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Depends where I can get transferred at the time. If I had to go to Europe, definitely be Switzerland or Germany, US... it depends how the election goes and if they continue their downwards spiral into fascism but at the very least Ontario or Alberta so I can get away from this BS.
 
Tech-Boy said:
They should augment tuition for foreign students much more then citizens of Quebec.
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I agree. They should also force doctors or these foreign students to work here for at least 7 years before taking off with their cheap diplomas.
 
250Rocket said:
Lol, you're funny. Tell the students you'll reduce tuition 350$ from the current amount and protests will stop tomorrow. Like hell it's about "corruption". Where were the protests when Concordia paid millions for severance packages only to rehire some as teachers..... NO WHERE.

Don't get me wrong, I'd be all for it if it truly was about the corruption but you're only lying to yourself. You don't see masses of business, engineering, medical and law students protesting, it's only the degenerates that have to much free time on their hands because their hobby degree is over priced and they won't be able to pay back the loans with their future burger flipping jobs.
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Shut up, it's waking people up. The youngs are now interested about politics because of this. People realize the power of the street, and they know that from now on, they have the choice to accept or not the unacceptable.

Plus your second paragraph is all lies, I've talk to med student, ingeneering students and a lot of them don't want to go on strike but they support the mouvement and go to protest
 
lol at 3000 $ is lots of money...most of guys they go at least once a year in cuba or DR..1500 right there..each time..and they will be looking at condos downtown starting at 400k..so 3k is nothing get over it..
 
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