Why is the BRZ and this commercial so much win.

Une chose est sure

j'Ai vraiment L'impression que y vas lui arriver la meme chose que la genesis 2.0T. Le monde vont se garocher dessus, yaura aucune negociation possible sur le prix pis apres 2-3 ans une version ameliorer au presque meme prix vas arriver pis la les proprios de l'ancienne generation vont etre ben decu.

La BRZ /FR-S j'imagine sont de excellente voiture, d'ailleur j'Ai appeller Subaru Brossard pour prendre un rendez-vous pour un essai routier.

J'ai parler au représentant David, J'imagine il est membre ici. Il me semble etre un bon gars. Par contre aucune voiture disponible pour essai routier, a moin de laisser un depot de 1000$ remboursable, la je les trouver un peu drôle, on parle d'une voiture de 28,000$ + taxes, c'est loin d'être une porshe lol.

Moi J'ai toujours essayer avant d'Achter a part mon rsx type-s, javais 22 ans quand jai ete au dealer, quand tas 22 ans et tu veux essayer une rsx type-s le monde te prenne pas trop au serieux chez le dealer.

Vendredi je vais aller chez subaru brossard en espérant quil en a une dans le showroom, voir si ya de quoi a faire avec les places arrieres ( je veux une voitures pratiques)
 
AcuraBoy said:
Une chose est sure

j'Ai vraiment L'impression que y vas lui arriver la meme chose que la genesis 2.0T. Le monde vont se garocher dessus, yaura aucune negociation possible sur le prix pis apres 2-3 ans une version ameliorer au presque meme prix vas arriver pis la les proprios de l'ancienne generation vont etre ben decu.

La BRZ /FR-S j'imagine sont de excellente voiture, d'ailleur j'Ai appeller Subaru Brossard pour prendre un rendez-vous pour un essai routier.

J'ai parler au représentant David, J'imagine il est membre ici. Il me semble etre un bon gars. Par contre aucune voiture disponible pour essai routier, a moin de laisser un depot de 1000$ remboursable, la je les trouver un peu drôle, on parle d'une voiture de 28,000$ + taxes, c'est loin d'être une porshe lol.

Moi J'ai toujours essayer avant d'Achter a part mon rsx type-s, javais 22 ans quand jai ete au dealer, quand tas 22 ans et tu veux essayer une rsx type-s le monde te prenne pas trop au serieux chez le dealer.

Vendredi je vais aller chez subaru brossard en espérant quil en a une dans le showroom, voir si ya de quoi a faire avec les places arrieres ( je veux une voitures pratiques)
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Moi je crois pa que ça va faire comme la Genesis. La genesis avait déja un turbo et ils ont juste mis plus de puissance, mais la FRS a un moteur atmosphérique, au mieux il pourrait sortir 10-20hp de plus éventuellement. Donc si une version plus puissante sort, ça sera une version turbo pas mal plus chère que l'actuelle. Et la FRS actuelle séduit surtout par son handling et son agrément de conduite, ce que la genesis n'a jamais fait.

Sinon à Toyota Gabriel le vendeur a pas l'air fermé à l'idée de me laisser faire un essai routier, mais je voulais pas bullshiter en disant que ça m'intéresse et que j'ai 30 000$ à mettre sur un char donc j'ai laissé faire. Le pire c'est d'essayer des motos, surtout quand on est jeune. Et les palces arrière sont là pour mettre son épicerie, pas des humains. C'est comme la Mini.
 
Ad is okay, I guess. Drifting on wet polished cement is not an impressive feat. However, they are hitting the mark with the target audience (it's being posted on a car forum where the average age is sub-25 after all isn't it?)


I would just like to point out that while both companies have their logo on it, this is a Toyota product through and through. The REAL story is this (shortened for your reading ease) :

-Toyota approached Subaru wanting to create a sports car in a joint venture.
-Subaru, not thinking Toyota was capable of doing such a thing refused the offer, but did give them engines to experiment with.
-Toyota reworked the engine making it more reliable and more fuel efficient, notably by adding it's DS4 direct injection system and by"fixing" the piston wobble issue.
-After the first concept was built, Toyota contacted Subaru and had them and journalists come and view the car and see the development.
-Subaru's jaw dropped and then they said they wanted in on the project.
-Most of the job being done, they worked together on the fine tuning of the car and made the front bumpers different for the respective cars
-Interiors were designed by each brand for their respective cars

So, while Subaru does have it's name on the engine, it's own variant of the car and a market share of the design as well as a thank you note in the credits (for using their facility to build the cars), this car, no matter the variant (FR-S GT86 or BRZ) is a Toyota product.

:)
 
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740il said:
Stock rs or not handles better then a corrola xrs or echo rs I'm taking 90 degrees turn at 80-100 km/h.
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Good to know, this should definitely help your sale.

740il said:
my wrx/sti swapped gc is on the way.
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Left head from a WRX and right head from an STi? Make up your mind boss.

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740il said:
No the ae86 was not a failure I never said that.
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You said if it wasn't for Subaru, the BR-Z/FR-S would have been a failure so what does that make of an AE86 since Subaru was not there to contribute? Erm logic son...

740il said:
The flat 4 or boxer engine has a lower point of gravity it is not imaginary or commercial.
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I never said it was imaginary or a commercial, I said it is more of a commercial than a turning point in the vehicle's dynamics, never said it didn't make a difference either :)

Now we get to the "talking out of the ass" part of your post:
740il said:
Stock rs or not handles better then a corrola xrs or echo rs
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I'm sure you've driven all of them to compare

740il said:
You only drove your oil consuming ej25 with 165hp in a 2 ton car, what do you expect from that ?
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Wait my ej252 consumed oil? I am glad you told me about a car I had for 3 years and a car you have never seen in your life.

740il said:
Did you ever drove a 2l turbo or even the 2.5 Turbo ?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_tense

As for the Subarus I've been able to put my hand on:

B4 Legacy (mine), B4 Legacy ej20tt swapped, B4 Legacy STi swapped, Forester XT, Forester XT STi swapped, Forester L WRX Swapped, All WRXs except for the last gen and all STis except for the last gen. No I haven't driven them extensively but I've taken them all to the highway and around town. Oh and also a 2005 2.5GT of my friend, which is now also STi swapped, might have a go in that sometime if time permits.

Sorry if my knowledge of Subarus is laughable to a well established stock RS owner.

InB4 "K"

In after "K"

K :D
 
AcuraBoy said:
Une chose est sure

j'Ai vraiment L'impression que y vas lui arriver la meme chose que la genesis 2.0T. Le monde vont se garocher dessus, yaura aucune negociation possible sur le prix pis apres 2-3 ans une version ameliorer au presque meme prix vas arriver pis la les proprios de l'ancienne generation vont etre ben decu.

La BRZ /FR-S j'imagine sont de excellente voiture, d'ailleur j'Ai appeller Subaru Brossard pour prendre un rendez-vous pour un essai routier.

J'ai parler au représentant David, J'imagine il est membre ici. Il me semble etre un bon gars. Par contre aucune voiture disponible pour essai routier, a moin de laisser un depot de 1000$ remboursable, la je les trouver un peu drôle, on parle d'une voiture de 28,000$ + taxes, c'est loin d'être une porshe lol.

Moi J'ai toujours essayer avant d'Achter a part mon rsx type-s, javais 22 ans quand jai ete au dealer, quand tas 22 ans et tu veux essayer une rsx type-s le monde te prenne pas trop au serieux chez le dealer.

Vendredi je vais aller chez subaru brossard en espérant quil en a une dans le showroom, voir si ya de quoi a faire avec les places arrieres ( je veux une voitures pratiques)
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Le gars chez Toyota Chambly voulait me la faire essayer sans problème...:dunno:

JoeyV said:
Ad is okay, I guess. Drifting on wet polished cement is not an impressive feat. However, they are hitting the mark with the target audience (it's being posted on a car forum where the average age is sub-25 after all isn't it?)


I would just like to point out that while both companies have their logo on it, this is a Toyota product through and through. The REAL story is this (shortened for your reading ease) :

-Toyota approached Subaru wanting to create a sports car in a joint venture.
-Subaru, not thinking Toyota was capable of doing such a thing refused the offer, but did give them engines to experiment with.
-Toyota reworked the engine making it more reliable and more fuel efficient, notably by adding it's DS4 direct injection system and by"fixing" the piston wobble issue.
-After the first concept was built, Toyota contacted Subaru and had them and journalists come and view the car and see the development.
-Subaru's jaw dropped and then they said they wanted in on the project.
-Most of the job being done, they worked together on the fine tuning of the car and made the front bumpers different for the respective cars
-Interiors were designed by each brand for their respective cars

So, while Subaru does have it's name on the engine, it's own variant of the car and a market share of the design as well as a thank you note in the credits. this car, not matter the variant (FR-S GT86 or BRZ) is a Toyota product.

:)
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Interesting, thank!
 
Yes handling is great. But power is a must. Without a turbo version you'll see a lot for second hand FR-S, BRZ for sale in 8-12 months.

I'm super happy for you trish, you deserve a nice car, but your ass dyno is use to an echo. I'm sure pretty much anything is faster.
 
od_man99 said:
Yes handling is great. But power is a must. Without a turbo version you'll see a lot for second hand FR-S, BRZ for sale in 8-12 months.

I'm super happy for you trish, you deserve a nice car, but your ass dyno is use to an echo. I'm sure pretty much anything is faster.
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I have a bike, a mr2 turbo, and I can still have fun with a yaris or my Civic...
 
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There is a difference between a car that is fun to drive and a car you have fun driving. The Yaris is a car you have fun driving. It is not a fun car to drive. The FR-S is a fun car to drive. If that doesn't make sense to you, good :p
 
JoeyV said:
Ad is okay, I guess. Drifting on wet polished cement is not an impressive feat. However, they are hitting the mark with the target audience (it's being posted on a car forum where the average age is sub-25 after all isn't it?)


I would just like to point out that while both companies have their logo on it, this is a Toyota product through and through. The REAL story is this (shortened for your reading ease) :

-Toyota approached Subaru wanting to create a sports car in a joint venture.
-Subaru, not thinking Toyota was capable of doing such a thing refused the offer, but did give them engines to experiment with.
-Toyota reworked the engine making it more reliable and more fuel efficient, notably by adding it's DS4 direct injection system and by"fixing" the piston wobble issue.
-After the first concept was built, Toyota contacted Subaru and had them and journalists come and view the car and see the development.
-Subaru's jaw dropped and then they said they wanted in on the project.
-Most of the job being done, they worked together on the fine tuning of the car and made the front bumpers different for the respective cars
-Interiors were designed by each brand for their respective cars

So, while Subaru does have it's name on the engine, it's own variant of the car and a market share of the design as well as a thank you note in the credits (for using their facility to build the cars), this car, no matter the variant (FR-S GT86 or BRZ) is a Toyota product.

:)
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Now all Subaru needs to do is come out with the BRSTI. 35k for a rwd turbo beast. With less fugly wheels (may I suggest BBS White/Gold) lower suspension and a vent for the hood. Boom instant success.
 
JoeyV said:
There is a difference between a car that is fun to drive and a car you have fun driving. The Yaris is a car you have fun driving. It is not a fun car to drive. The FR-S is a fun car to drive. If that doesn't make sense to you, good :p
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True!
 
JoeyV said:
There is a difference between a car that is fun to drive and a car you have fun driving. The Yaris is a car you have fun driving. It is not a fun car to drive. The FR-S is a fun car to drive. If that doesn't make sense to you, good :p
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It's the same thing.
 
od_man99 said:
Now all Subaru needs to do is come out with the BRSTI. 35k for a rwd turbo beast. With less fugly wheels (may I suggest BBS White/Gold) lower suspension and a vent for the hood. Boom instant success.
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Prepared to ditch Das Germany Auto for that car.
 
od_man99 said:
Yes handling is great. But power is a must. Without a turbo version you'll see a lot for second hand FR-S, BRZ for sale in 8-12 months.

I'm super happy for you trish, you deserve a nice car, but your ass dyno is use to an echo. I'm sure pretty much anything is faster.
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Thank you! I'm not a "like to go fast in straight line" person.....I love to go fast in corners and to do that, I don't need 300hp.....(for Quebec's circuits) :dunno:

That being said, I cannot pretend this car wouldn't be more fun with 100hp+....for sure it will be! But do I really need it? I say no, personnally.

As for the difference between this car and my old one, yes there is a pretty huge difference....but my Yaris wasn't stock anymore...it was handling so well, it was a very fun car on the track, no power, but the handling was great. The FR-S gives me the missing power I had with the Yaris and even more handling.....:D Like it!

There a car for eahc person :) I understand people who are saying they don't like the FR-S or the BRZ, it is their opinion. I buy my car for myself, not to brag about it before other people ;)

JoeyV said:
There is a difference between a car that is fun to drive and a car you have fun driving. The Yaris is a car you have fun driving. It is not a fun car to drive. The FR-S is a fun car to drive. If that doesn't make sense to you, good :p
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Here you go.
 
od_man99 said:
Yes handling is great. But power is a must. Without a turbo version you'll see a lot for second hand FR-S, BRZ for sale in 8-12 months.

I'm super happy for you trish, you deserve a nice car, but your ass dyno is use to an echo. I'm sure pretty much anything is faster.
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The guy from Subaru Brossard told me that Subaru is already working on an STi version of the BRZ, not sure if serious. But if its the case, like you said they will be a lot of dissapointed frs/brz owner.

I find it kind of funny when people said, if a Sti version come out it will be too much expensive for the respective market. The car is already pretty expensive, people already forget that a fully loaded BRZ is close to 38K, Maybe im a poor guy, but 38K is a lot of money for 2seat rwd 200hp non-turbo with almost no option to increase the power.

I can see an increase of 5,000-6,000$ max for a turbo engine, bigger brake, better suspension, better seats, bigger and better looking wheel and tire, and a few minor changes in the visual. That could be a pretty good bargain for all the upgrades.

For conclusion: For me the BRZ/FRS has good potential for a great sport car, but not on his actual version.... my advice be patient and wait for the STI version

It will cost you way too much money to increase the power of this actual version
 
JoeyV said:
No, it isn't. That's why the end of my comment was thrown in there. Because I knew you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between both. No worries though, on t'en veut pas pour ca :p
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For me, the echo is fun to drive, that's it. It's light, nimble, throttle response is good, non power steering is communicative, the suspension is quite stiff. It has everything to be a good driver's car.
 
Envoie un message à Alex_Scion sur le forum p-e qu'il y a en une pour essayer? Il est chez Scion Candiac et il donne un service impeccable.

AcuraBoy said:
Une chose est sure

j'Ai vraiment L'impression que y vas lui arriver la meme chose que la genesis 2.0T. Le monde vont se garocher dessus, yaura aucune negociation possible sur le prix pis apres 2-3 ans une version ameliorer au presque meme prix vas arriver pis la les proprios de l'ancienne generation vont etre ben decu.

La BRZ /FR-S j'imagine sont de excellente voiture, d'ailleur j'Ai appeller Subaru Brossard pour prendre un rendez-vous pour un essai routier.

J'ai parler au représentant David, J'imagine il est membre ici. Il me semble etre un bon gars. Par contre aucune voiture disponible pour essai routier, a moin de laisser un depot de 1000$ remboursable, la je les trouver un peu drôle, on parle d'une voiture de 28,000$ + taxes, c'est loin d'être une porshe lol.

Moi J'ai toujours essayer avant d'Achter a part mon rsx type-s, javais 22 ans quand jai ete au dealer, quand tas 22 ans et tu veux essayer une rsx type-s le monde te prenne pas trop au serieux chez le dealer.

Vendredi je vais aller chez subaru brossard en espérant quil en a une dans le showroom, voir si ya de quoi a faire avec les places arrieres ( je veux une voitures pratiques)
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AcuraBoy said:
The guy from Subaru Brossard told me that Subaru is already working on an STi version of the BRZ, not sure if serious. But if its the case, like you said they will be a lot of dissapointed frs/brz owner.

I find it kind of funny when people said, if a Sti version come out it will be too much expensive for the respective market. The car is already pretty expensive, people already forget that a fully loaded BRZ is close to 38K, Maybe im a poor guy, but 38K is a lot of money for 2seat rwd 200hp non-turbo with almost no option to increase the power.

I can see an increase of 5,000-6,000$ max for a turbo engine, bigger brake, better suspension, better seats, bigger and better looking wheel and tire, and a few minor changes in the visual. That could be a pretty good bargain for all the upgrades.

For conclusion: For me the BRZ/FRS has good potential for a great sport car, but not on his actual version.... my advice be patient and wait for the STI version

It will cost you way too much money to increase the power of this actual version
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Or you can lease it for 2-3 years ;) and see what the new version will look like :)
 
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