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When the majority of people living in Québec vote for it, until then, this province is unilingual french.

I'm not hating, I'm just saying. I speak both languages very well and I have no problem with the fact that people only speak english around here. But this place is french first, and if you cannot be bothered to learn the language, I'm sorry for you as you're simply being stubborn and I'm pretty sure you're free to leave and/or get service elsewhere. The people that are hired in hospitals and public establishments aren't asked to be blilingual because it does not need to be a requirement in a province where the majority of people are french-speaking.

I mean even immigrants have to have french courses and have to speak it better to become residents than the kids I grew up with that went to english schools.

Here's another thing, I used to be a cashier at a convenience store in a half and half french/english town for a while during college and I swear to God, most french people, you greet them by saying "Hi!" or "Good day!" and they'll try to answer back in english! But english people, holy f*ck are they stubborn, you'll say "Bonjour!" and they'll just mumble or not say a single word and leave without ever saying anything. Perfect example of why we should cut funding to english-only schools on Québec's territory.



If you can't be bothered, why should we?

1) You'd be surprised how many people here in Ontario don't speak English.
2) In Ontario as a whole, most people speak English, yet you need to be bilingual.
3) I worked in gas stations for about 4 years, and never saw something like that. Maybe it's just because if I said hi and they said bonjour or salut I'd speak in French, and vice versa.

You can't blame the government at all, it's the people. Whenever I'm in MTL, or Quebec in general I'll always speak English first. I'm bilingual but English is what I use primarily. If the person I'm speaking to speaks English wicked. If they answer in French I'll speak French. If I see they're trying hard in English I'll mix it up a bit and say something like "your English is pretty good keep practising".

It's narrow minded French-only speaking people in Quebec that make it shit for everybody else.
 
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When the majority of people living in Québec vote for it, until then, this province is unilingual french.

I'm not hating, I'm just saying. I speak both languages very well and I have no problem with the fact that people only speak english around here. But this place is french first, and if you cannot be bothered to learn the language, I'm sorry for you as you're simply being stubborn and I'm pretty sure you're free to leave and/or get service elsewhere. The people that are hired in hospitals and public establishments aren't asked to be blilingual because it does not need to be a requirement in a province where the majority of people are french-speaking.

I mean even immigrants have to have french courses and have to speak it better to become residents than the kids I grew up with that went to english schools.

Here's another thing, I used to be a cashier at a convenience store in a half and half french/english town for a while during college and I swear to God, most french people, you greet them by saying "Hi!" or "Good day!" and they'll try to answer back in english! But english people, holy f*ck are they stubborn, you'll say "Bonjour!" and they'll just mumble or not say a single word and leave without ever saying anything. Perfect example of why we should cut funding to english-only schools on Québec's territory.



If you can't be bothered, why should we?

I'm assuming you're using the term "you" in a general sense, puisque comme je le dit depuis le debut, je parle parfaitement Francais, et que ce serait inscenser de dire que je ne veut pas apprendre le Francais :p.

The reason behind my comment is simply based on the fact that it is a very well known fact that more than half the population also speaks English and that making it an official bilingual province would make everything easier for everyone. As I've mentioned before, it's not by punishing or giving a hard time to the English that the French will do better or keep striving. Being Pro-French does not mean being Anti-English. Big difference between pushing yourself forward and pulling others down.
 
I saw this on Facebook end of last week

My biggest issue is service will be "determined" by someone else on the other line. If they feel I can struggle well enough, then they get to choose. I see that ending really badly real fast. Having a bad day phone agent?...well "F-you" english caller...French or nothing. I just see it becoming so easy to say "no, can't help you"

It's like the guys in the metro station booth at McGill Station (for example) Eaton Centre is a tourist attraction and I've been told on more than one occasion "hey, speak french or I don't help you" WTF. What if I was a tourist? Just makes no sense, its like when I go to Chaboogamoo (example for some place far out lol) I don't expect service in English...I'll try whatever french I know...I think its just logical...and in Downtown Montreal, well you should be able to get both....West Island...you might get more english....etc etc

I realize I live in Quebec and while I work for a company thats primarily english and I live my life 99% in english I'm working on my french and realize it needs to be better and could have more opportunities. I play sports with primarily french people...however they are progressive french who know the value of speaking english so its all good.

anyways, back on point, I think we all should not neglect or avoid the fact that Quebec (Montreal specifically) has a rich english heritage and past...we can't just erase that and knowing this, we should be working better together, not against and shutting one out. I think its that mix that makes this city unique...otherwise we'd be Toronto...and toronto sucks
 
I will always find a way to get served in English.

Watching uneducated francophones struggle in English is lulzy.

Smart francophones speak English well.

As you can see, my beef is with uneducated people.

The developed world is educated in English.
 
even though i'm bilingual, I have difficulty understanding law terms in french. for example, I'm lost as shit if I go contest a ticket in timbuktu, QC because I can't have my process in english in those areas. that puts me at a huge disadvantage, and is unfair IMO. I guess the same should go for health care and insurance.. services should be offered in both languages..
 
even though i'm bilingual, I have difficulty understanding law terms in french. for example, I'm lost as shit if I go contest a ticket in timbuktu, QC because I can't have my process in english in those areas. that puts me at a huge disadvantage, and is unfair IMO. I guess the same should go for health care and insurance.. services should be offered in both languages..

You need to avoid speeding/wreckless driving/blowing stop signs/scratching your balls when you go to ste-etc-de-etc.
 
Je suis content de voir que certains membres comprennent que dans d'autres provinces du Canada ils peuvent s'attendre à être servie premièrement en anglais. J'ai habité à Mtl pendant plus de 20 ans et de temps en temps tu trouves l'idiot qui s'énerve parce que quelqu'un ne parle pas français... et lui de son côté ne parle pas un mot d'anglais. C'est de l'hypocrisie.

J'habite maintenant à Ottawa et moins souvent, mais ça se voit encore, le même type de personne.

Ma philosophie est: si tu ne fais pas l'effort d'apprendre l'anglais (ou le français), n'attends pas à ce que l'autre personne doivent parler ta langue!
 
i was at an airport in the southern US and there was a man tryign to converse with an airline attendant at the terminal, i could see he was having difficulty and realized he was a french quebecer. I stepped up and translated for him so that everyone could be happy. It took almost no effort on my part but made me feel good for helping. Thinking back, its pretty damn ridiculous to not speak any english at all.

Thanks to the silly laws in quebec i got a job in the states paying me over 60k a year with amazing benefits because i know french and can communicate with that province. your laws suck and im happy to be gone, but it is nice to have job security, especially after reading that!!
 
J'aime MR et sa population du WI. La seule place ou ça semble justifié de ne pas être capable de s'exprimer dans la langue principale !? Je vous rappèle qu'au Québec c'est le français. En tout cas en dehors de votre petit ghetto du WI. C'est 100 fois plus wrong un québécois qui parle pas français qu'un québécois qui parle pas anglais. C'est comme si je déménagais à Toronto et que je m'obstinait à pas apprendre l'anglais parce que "le français est une langue officielle du Canada".

Pratiquement tous le monde au Québec parle un peu en anglais et c'est très rare que 2 personnes n'arrivent pas à se comprendre, y'a toujours un qui va s'adapter à l'autre dans la mesure du possible et ce même en campagne.

Si un unilingue anglais arrive à l'hopital il va trouver moyen de se faire soigner, c'est certain qu'il va y avoir quelqu'un quelque part pour faire la traduction et on fini toujours par se comprendre. Pour ça que quant à moi ce n'est pas obligatoire que tous le monde d'un hopital parle en anglais...naturellement il y en a assez.

PS. Mon ex s'était faite assigné un psy à Lakeshore qui parlait à peine francais...disons que là c'était pénible, un psy c'est faite pour jaser.
 
I can speak french pretty damn well...

but throw some fucking civil law/lawyer terms in it and I get lost. shit even in english i have a hard time with that shit.

IE. the fucking CSR is a PITA to read, in both english and french.
 
J'aime MR et sa population du WI. La seule place ou ça semble justifié de ne pas être capable de s'exprimer dans la langue principale !? Je vous rappèle qu'au Québec c'est le français. En tout cas en dehors de votre petit ghetto du WI. C'est 100 fois plus wrong un québécois qui parle pas français qu'un québécois qui parle pas anglais. C'est comme si je déménagais à Toronto et que je m'obstinait à pas apprendre l'anglais parce que "le français est une langue officielle du Canada".

Nobody is talking about refusing to learn/speak French. That isn't the point. The point is when the government and it's wings start systematically making it more and more difficult to receive services we've historically always been given, it becomes hateful and anglophones start resenting it, and the people who support it.

The same thing happens in Ontario with Franco-Ontarians. In many regions, especially in Eastern Ontario, they have historic rights granted to them regarding receiving certain services in French. Even if they speak English and have no trouble doing so, as francophones they prefer to receive the service in their mother tongue. When said services get harder and harder to come by in French, they get upset. See what happens in communities like Cornwall and the Prescott and Russell United Counties, and even East Ottawa to an extent, when the francophone populations begin seeing a decline in their ability to receive French services, some of them choose to speak up about it, as is their right.

Toronto is a bad example for you to use. Much of what Toronto is today is due to English Canadians and immigrants that moved directly into English Canada. Montreal, on the other hand, is not a solely French Canadian/Québécois construction. Anglophone Montrealers contributed significantly to the development of Montreal and for centuries helped build it up. Quebec Nationalists have a penchant for revisionist history and like to ignore this fact.

And what if I said "J'aime Québec et sa population francophone, les seuls gens qui pensent que c'est justifié de ne pas être capable de s'exprimer dans la langue principale de leur pays. Je vous rappelle qu'au Canada (et l'Amérique du Nord, et le monde entier en fait) c'est l'anglais."

That probably wouldn't make sense to you because in your eyes the borders are provincial, because that is what benefits you personally, as a francophone. But to anglophones, the borders are national (Canada-wide) or international (Global), because that is what is beneficial to them. So the significant difference in perspective is why we're having this discussion and why after hundreds of years anglophones and francophones haven't come to a settled consensus yet.
 
Thats because all the bilingual people are working for the Feds.. So the Provincial Govt gets only those who speak french or worse North African immigrants that speak neither french or english. I am dealing with this Algerian guy that works at Revenue Quebec and I have zero idea that hes saying in English or French :S I asked to be transferred to someone who can at least speak one language properly.
 
It's funny because in ottawa everything is posted in both languages not to mention the waitress spoke both languages and went the extra mile to please her french clients. Fuck all you guys with this is quebec speak french. Instead ill fuck all your little french whores obviously english guys do it better.

Please...its only natural both languages are represented in Ottawa (Canada's capital). English AND French are the official languages in the Constitution.
It's funny because when you do a couple miles more and end up in Toronto no one speaks french...bunch of lazy ass right?
I'm pretty confident in Mtl you can find more people giving services in both languages.
I'm not for the "only speak this or that" BTW.
 
believe me in not into one language I grew up in an English household but i learnt french and speak it fluently. These guys with their ca c'est Quebec parle francais sti is what im getting at.
 
A few weeks ago my GF got hurt at work. When she went to the doctor to get checked, the receptionist and 2 doctors couldn't understand her and kept telling her, you're in Quebec you have to speak French. I understand not everyone wants to speak English but when you're offering an essential service it should be mandatory. I never understood how I can speak 3 languages and want to learn more and there's people that refuse to learn English

Maybe you should be having this conversation with your girlfriend.
 
Qu'ils parlent anglais ou non n'a absolument aucune importance.

Si on parlait des services en francais offerts aus francophone en Ontario. Là je suis d'accord.



Highlights
The passage of the Courts of Justice Act in 1984 gives French Official Language status in Ontario's court system along with English.
In 1986, the Ontario government adopts the French Language Services Act. This Act consolidates existing policies and recognizes the right of Francophones to receive government services in French in the 25 designated areas of the province.
The Office of Francophone Affairs is created under the French Language Services Act to ensure that Francophones have access to provincial government services in French in the 25 designated areas and guarantee their participation in the social, economic and political life of the province, while maintaining their linguistic and cultural heritage. The Office works in conjunction with the French Language coordinators of the Ontario government ministries to monitor the application of the act.
In 1995, the Ontarian Public French Television channel becomes TFO (in French) gaining self-governance in 2006. The Office des télécommunications éducatives de langue française de l’Ontario (OTÉLFO) (in French) is created on April 1, 2007. It is the producer and distributor of French educational televised programming and cultural multimedia products.
The 2001 Franco-Ontarian Emblem Act officially recognizes the Franco-Ontarian flag, first unveiled on September 25, 1975 at the University of Sudbury as the official emblem of the Francophone community of Ontario.

http://www.ontarioimmigration.ca/en/living/OI_HOW_LIVE_FRENCH.html


QUEBEC = :cry:
 
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