Why you shouldn't vote for the PQ

Check le BS j'ai un programme encore plus simple et moins couteux.

Tu fais la demande de BS normalement.

Tu as droit au BS pendant 6 mois automatiquement.
Tu as droit a 6 mois supplémentaire SI:
-Tu as fait de la recherche d'emplois, des entrevue
-PArticiper un programme de placement de personne
-Tu peux PROUVER que tu n'es pas apte a travailler.

Si tu n'as tjs pas d'emplois apres 1 an de BS:
-Tu dois PROUVER que tu es inapte au travail ou qu'il n'y a AUCUN emplois disponible dans ta région.

Alors pas besoin d'équipe pour analyser le dossier, c'est au prestataire de prouver qu'il a besoin du BS.


Et concernant les jobs, c'est pas trop compliqué, va sur le site d'emplois Quebec, tu envoie ton osti de CV a TOUT les offres d'emplois qui respecte tes qualifications.

Que se soit employé dans une shop de rubber a 10$ de l'heure, caissier au Mcdo ou chez Jopatate.




Ensuite le deuxieme volet de la loi sur le BS:
-AUCUN CHEQUE CASH. Lorsque tu fais ta demande, tu dois donner une copie de ton bail/hypotheque avec les coordonnés du proprio.
-Un cheque serait fait a ton proprio
-Ton électricité sera déduis
-Coupon d'épcierie, bien sur, aucune lotterie, alcool ou tabac ne peut etre payer avec cela.
-Ligne téléphonique de base inclus, pour contacter les employeurs.
-Transport en commun gratuit
-Un petit montant d'argent pour payé le reste ( vetement par exemple).

Le tout étant les besoin de base pour vire ET pour se trouver un emplois.
 
invert said:
Tu comprends pas le principe hahaha.

Là tu dis ça te dérange pas de débourser 3.8% de ton salaire pour ça.

Ensuite, ils vont te dire que pour 5% tu peux avoir des plus belles routes, nice.

Ensuite, 10% tu vas avoir une SAQ qui fait moins d'argent donc les bouteilles moins cher.

Plus tu leur en donne, plus il la dépense... c'est facile.

En coupant, tu force le gouvernement à bien travailler, engager des gens compétents, etc...
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J'avoue que depuis que Charest est au pouvoir J'ai vue que le gouvernement a bien travailler et qu'il as engagé des gens compétents lol. J'en reviens juste pas que le monde vont voter pour charest encore..... svp quelqu'un expliquer moi..... quand j'étais jeune on mas dit que la coruption c'étais mal, payer pour les autres qui font rien c'étais ridicule, payer pour des services qui n'aide en rien la société est impensable...... wow j'imagine aujourd'hui que ca ne fonctionne pu comme ca.

Je vais mettre mon flamesuit:

Why do english people keep voting for Charest??? Do they like getting fuck in the ass without knowing it, Are you guys AWARE of what is going on??? Are you satisfied with the system? Please explain .........
Dont tell me because the others are worst... without even knowing them.

Im not gonna say vote for Marois, but why keep voting for charest....wtf?
 
-Mike- said:
Check le BS j'ai un programme encore plus simple et moins couteux.

Tu fais la demande de BS normalement.

Tu as droit au BS pendant 6 mois automatiquement.
Tu as droit a 6 mois supplémentaire SI:
-Tu as fait de la recherche d'emplois, des entrevue
-PArticiper un programme de placement de personne
-Tu peux PROUVER que tu n'es pas apte a travailler.

Si tu n'as tjs pas d'emplois apres 1 an de BS:
-Tu dois PROUVER que tu es inapte au travail ou qu'il n'y a AUCUN emplois disponible dans ta région.

Alors pas besoin d'équipe pour analyser le dossier, c'est au prestataire de prouver qu'il a besoin du BS.


Et concernant les jobs, c'est pas trop compliqué, va sur le site d'emplois Quebec, tu envoie ton osti de CV a TOUT les offres d'emplois qui respecte tes qualifications.

Que se soit employé dans une shop de rubber a 10$ de l'heure, caissier au Mcdo ou chez Jopatate.




Ensuite le deuxieme volet de la loi sur le BS:
-AUCUN CHEQUE CASH. Lorsque tu fais ta demande, tu dois donner une copie de ton bail/hypotheque avec les coordonnés du proprio.
-Un cheque serait fait a ton proprio
-Ton électricité sera déduis
-Coupon d'épcierie, bien sur, aucune lotterie, alcool ou tabac ne peut etre payer avec cela.
-Ligne téléphonique de base inclus, pour contacter les employeurs.
-Transport en commun gratuit
-Un petit montant d'argent pour payé le reste ( vetement par exemple).

Le tout étant les besoin de base pour vire ET pour se trouver un emplois.
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Tres bonne idées. Mai qui vas s'occuper de traiter les dossiers 1 par 1 pour consider si la personne a le droit ou non a son BS. J'ai pas le nb exacte de prestataire du BS, mais une chose est sure yen as une shitload au quebec, pis actuellement on est loin d'avoir les ressources pour tout gérer ca. Il faut donc engager du personelle supplementaire = $$$$$

Comme tu doit deja connaitre le systeme on manque de $$$$ alors comment tu compte aller chercher cette argent

j'Attend tas reponse.....
 
Le BS devrait n'etre qu'une solution de dépannage temporaire, et non un mode de vie d'où naissent des enfants de sang royal de BS endurcie.
 
BoxsterBoy said:
Wouah! Mieux que je pensais, on se plaint de quoi???
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that no one qualifies for those tax credits because it's set impossibly low... actually i think it's set below the poverty line.. you can't legally work and receive that tax credit at all.
 
AcuraBoy said:
Tres bonne idées. Mai qui vas s'occuper de traiter les dossiers 1 par 1 pour consider si la personne a le droit ou non a son BS. J'ai pas le nb exacte de prestataire du BS, mais une chose est sure yen as une shitload au quebec, pis actuellement on est loin d'avoir les ressources pour tout gérer ca. Il faut donc engager du personelle supplementaire = $$$$$

Comme tu doit deja connaitre le systeme on manque de $$$$ alors comment tu compte aller chercher cette argent

j'Attend tas reponse.....
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En faite c'est évidant que la premiere année il va y avoir un ''rush'' de vérification mais en envoyant le fardeau de la preuve au prestataire, tu économise beaucoup de temps. DOnc l'employé de l'état va recevoir les dossiers et évaluer la preuve.

Ensuite c'Est seulement de maintenir le programme et d'évaluer chaque cas.

Alors pour le cash, il faudra probablement un peu d'investissement initiale mais on peut considérer qu'en resserrant l'acces, les demandes risques de baissé et l'argent économiser payera bien plus que les quelques employés attitré a l'évaluation des dossiers.

Vite vite de meme je peux te cibler un paquet de BS qui travaille au noir ou qui sont apte au travail, en plus de pas avoir a les faire vivre et deviennent des contribuables.


Meme pas besoin de faire de calcul, c'est évidant qu'en faisant le menage dans le BS on va ressortir avec des chiffres positifs.


Mais comme tout gros changement, il va falloir un bon coup au début pour commencer le mouvement et apres c'est toute la population qui va etre gagnant. Meme le BS va etre gagnant car il comprendra la valorisation du travail et de l'effort.
 
fromage said:
that no one qualifies for those tax credits because it's set impossibly low... actually i think it's set below the poverty line.. you can't legally work and receive that tax credit at all.
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STUDENTS!

When I was student I was getting it.

Now I pay a shitload of income tax.

Oh, the good days.
 
How is 130k considered 'rich'? I don't make nearly that amount but at the tax bracket they are it's hardly 'rich'.. more like mid/upper class...
Instead of taxing hardworking mid class people, they (whichever party) should go after bigger corporations and tax them... heck if your yearly bonus is in the 7 digits...
 
The thing most of you forget is that a large portion of us here grew up in the middle class. A working father, with a stay at home mother, raising 2-3 kids, and everything else that goes with that. Current day, that economic tier is basically non-existent. Now you have dual income families with a single child barely making ends meet simply because of the increasing cost of living and the desire to always provide more to your kids than you were awarded. The english private school I was fortunate enough to attend cost my father $7k a year. Today that same school is asking for $19k per year for a single student enrollment. Using the $130k salary example, I wouldn't be able to send one of my children to the same school I went to, much less two children. And that's just one fraction of the expenses we face today. So no, $130k isn't a rich person's salary by today's quebec standards.... sorry.
 
En!vy said:
The thing most of you forget is that a large portion of us here grew up in the middle class. A working father, with a stay at home mother, raising 2-3 kids, and everything else that goes with that. Current day, that economic tier is basically non-existent. Now you have dual income families with a single child barely making ends meet simply because of the increasing cost of living and the desire to always provide more to your kids than you were awarded. The english private school I was fortunate enough to attend cost my father $7k a year. Today that same school is asking for $19k per year for a single student enrollment. Using the $130k salary example, I wouldn't be able to send one of my children to the same school I went to, much less two children. And that's just one fraction of the expenses we face today. So no, $130k isn't a rich person's salary by today's quebec standards.... sorry.
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You got it wrong Envy!

I remember back in the days, when i was in school, we didnt have Iphone with a 70$/month plan, we didnt have a playstation 3 + xbox + Wii, all we add was a nintendo. Our vacation was Old orchard beach, not Mexico with an all include for 2 weeks. We were dress up in marche aux puces, and we were happy to wear fake Tommy hilfiger, Calvin Klein, Polo ralph lauren. When i was a kid i started to cut grass for my neiborhood at 12 to get some money. I used to work in strawberry field to get some money when i was young.

Today all i see is whining spoil kids. That spent their time whining about not having an iphone S4 like one of their classmates. Not having the lastest videogames, or not being cool enough because they dont have the latest adidas sneaker at 135$.

My mom bought me my shoes at yellow, and i didnt whine about it.

Today if with 130,000$ income you start whining about having difficulty to live, you are seriously dumb and forgot all the important things your parents told you....... One of them is Sacrifice.....

You see my parents were in the middle class, i did go to a private school, but i didnt go to subway/mcdonal at lunch in school everyday, instead i use to eat that goddam ham sandwich.

Why do you think people like you have difficulty to live with 100,000$, the answerd is betweeen your ears

Too many little rich spoil kids nowaday
 
AcuraBoy said:
You got it wrong Envy!

I remember back in the days, when i was in school, we didnt have Iphone with a 70$/month plan, we didnt have a playstation 3 + xbox + Wii, all we add was a nintendo. Our vacation was Old orchard beach, not Mexico with an all include for 2 weeks. We were dress up in marche aux puces, and we were happy to wear fake Tommy hilfiger, Calvin Klein, Polo ralph lauren. When i was a kid i started to cut grass for my neiborhood at 12 to get some money. I used to work in strawberry field to get some money when i was young.

Today all i see is whining spoil kids. That spent their time whining about not having an iphone S4 like one of their classmates. Not having the lastest videogames, or not being cool enough because they dont have the latest adidas sneaker at 135$.

My mom bought me my shoes at yellow, and i didnt whine about it.

Today if with 130,000$ income you start whining about having difficulty to live, you are seriously dumb and forgot all the important things your parents told you....... One of them is Sacrifice.....

You see my parents were in the middle class, i did go to a private school, but i didnt go to subway/mcdonal at lunch in school everyday, instead i use to eat that goddam ham sandwich.

Why do you think people like you have difficulty to live with 100,000$, the answerd is betweeen your ears

Too many little rich spoil kids nowaday
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You do realize that our parents paid less taxes and had less but better services then we have today. Yes, we have all turned into consumerists and all are guilty of it. Some spend more, some less, but we all spend. What has changed is the Quebec government taking away more & more of our income and our purchasing power is decreasing because we are overtaxed!!! Salaries no longer match, but government just keeps on taking...

The dumbest program in Quebec is parental leave & the $7 daycare. They claim this is for the benefit of family life, no it's not! It is desgined to get both parents back into the workforce ASAP so they can suck more taxes out of you. You are basically giving up your child to a daycare worker for 10-hours a day so that you and your spouse can go out and pay taxes to the government. If they trully cared about family life, they would cut this nonsense and cut your taxes by 25% and let the individual make the decision whether they want to put their kids in daycare or stay home.

I saw parents lining up at 7:00am to drop off their 9-month child and pick them up at 6:00pm. The child spent more time with the daycare worker than his/her parents, nice family life right there.
 
allroad said:
You do realize that our parents paid less taxes and had less but better services then we have today. Yes, we have all turned into consumerists and all are guilty of it. Some spend more, some less, but we all spend. What has changed is the Quebec government taking away more & more of our income and our purchasing power is decreasing because we are overtaxed!!! Salaries no longer match, but government just keeps on taking...

The dumbest program in Quebec is parental leave & the $7 daycare. They claim this is for the benefit of family life, no it's not! It is desgined to get both parents back into the workforce ASAP so they can suck more taxes out of you. You are basically giving up your child to a daycare worker for 10-hours a day so that you and your spouse can go out and pay taxes to the government. If they trully cared about family life, they would cut this nonsense and cut your taxes by 25% and let the individual make the decision whether they want to put their kids in daycare or stay home.

I saw parents lining up at 7:00am to drop off their 9-month child and pick them up at 6:00pm. The child spent more time with the daycare worker than his/her parents, nice family life right there.
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Yep Both of them have to work, because they just purchase a brand new BMW SUV, oh and last year they got a wonderful 600,000$ house. They have a loan too for their chalet up north. But it doenst matter cause daddy got only 2 years left before the boat is entirely paid.

You see what i did there? This is the typical 2012 family who earn more then 130,000$ income.

If you want to stay with your kid until hes 5 and wanna raise him by yourself, ditch the BMW, Boat and Chalet. If not shut your mouth and go to work.

Oui on est imposer d'avantage que dans le passé, mais maudit qu'on as pas mal plus de bebelles pis de cossins que nos parents. Pk tu pense que les etats-Unis ont crasher, a cause d'une societe de consommation, le monde veule la grosse maison, la grosse voiture, ca pense que c'est riche...... pis bang un jour sa se reveiller crouler sous les dettes.

La mentalité de la nouvelle génération est mieux de changer, J'en reviens pas de voir des kids de 12 ans avec un Iphone Tabarnakkkk, pis en plus avec des forfaits de 70$/mois wtffff!!!!!!! A 12 ans j'étais préoccuper a reparer ma chaine de becycle qui venait de me lâcher la veille


*****Trop de monde chiale la bouche pleine icitte c'est incroyable****
 
AcuraBoy said:
Yep Both of them have to work, because they just purchase a brand new BMW SUV, oh and last year they got a wonderful 600,000$ house. They have a loan too for their chalet up north. But it doenst matter cause daddy got only 2 years left before the boat is entirely paid.

You see what i did there? This is the typical 2012 family who earn more then 130,000$ income.

If you want to stay with your kid until hes 5 and wanna raise him by yourself, ditch the BMW, Boat and Chalet. If not shut your mouth and go to work.

Oui on est imposer d'avantage que dans le passé, mais maudit qu'on as pas mal plus de bebelles pis de cossins que nos parents. Pk tu pense que les etats-Unis ont crasher, a cause d'une societe de consommation, le monde veule la grosse maison, la grosse voiture, ca pense que c'est riche...... pis bang un jour sa se reveiller crouler sous les dettes.

La mentalité de la nouvelle génération est mieux de changer, J'en reviens pas de voir des kids de 12 ans avec un Iphone Tabarnakkkk, pis en plus avec des forfaits de 70$/mois wtffff!!!!!!! A 12 ans j'étais préoccuper a reparer ma chaine de becycle qui venait de me lâcher la veille


*****Trop de monde chiale la bouche pleine icitte c'est incroyable****
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What you describe was brought upon by government and not solely society. For over a decade (since the late 90's), the Fed and Central banks worldwide have kept interest rates low to drive overconsumption and a fake economy. Had Governments and Central Banks been responsible they would have kept rates up and not have created a bubble, instead they created the worst bubble in history (housing). In parallel to all of this, they ketp on increasing taxes so the population gets double squeezed. Yes, you can blame individuals but in the grand scheme of things the government is ultimately responsible for this because they only know what thing and that is when the shit hits the fan we need to "increase taxes" and this ultimately stifles and chokes an economy.
 
^^ Tu melanges tellement de choses.

Comme tu dis: stop whinning pis laissez moi le 5000$ que j'ai gagne en travillant. Les raisons pour lesquelles je veux travaille et faire mon ble sont les miennes.

Je partage suffisament mes billes comme c'est la. Si comme tu dis une familles veut rester aec son kid jusqu'a 5 ans, qu'ils ditchent le BMW, pas a moi de financer des programmes a la con leur permettant de conserver leur niveau de vie.
 
allroad said:
What you describe was brought upon by government and not solely society. For over a decade (since the late 90's), the Fed and Central banks worldwide have kept interest rates low to drive overconsumption and a fake economy. Had Governments and Central Banks been responsible they would have kept rates up and not have created a bubble, instead they created the worst bubble in history (housing). In parallel to all of this, they ketp on increasing taxes so the population gets double squeezed. Yes, you can blame individuals but in the grand scheme of things the government is ultimately responsible for this because they only know what thing and that is when the shit hits the fan we need to "increase taxes" and this ultimately stifles and chokes an economy.
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If government told you to jump off the bridge will you???

My parent told me the good way to spend money, next time you see your parents ask them what happen when the bank rate was at 12-13%. If this happen today 90% of people will bankrupt. You have to be responsible, you are the master of your own destiny, if you wanna spend like a stupid mofo its your own business but dont put that on the government fault.

What are you gonna do when the bank gonna take back your house because they raise the rate at 6-8%. Are you gonna cry because its the government fault lol.

Spend and invest your money wisely, dont put the blame on others (typical of spoil kid)
 
BoxsterBoy said:
^^ Tu melanges tellement de choses.

Comme tu dis: stop whinning pis laissez moi le 5000$ que j'ai gagne en travillant. Les raisons pour lesquelles je veux travaille et faire mon ble sont les miennes.

Je partage suffisament mes billes comme c'est la. Si comme tu dis une familles veut rester aec son kid jusqu'a 5 ans, qu'ils ditchent le BMW, pas a moi de financer des programmes a la con leur permettant de conserver leur niveau de vie.
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I'm assuming you were targetting AcuraBoy.

I agree, people who earn more take larger risks in the hope for a payoff. We need to admire these people instead Quebecers (in general) shit all over them. I, for one, do not want to live in a welfare state and if the PQ does make it to power they will just keep on driving this welfare state mentality. At this rate Quebec doesn't belong in N.A. system, it belongs with the "PIGS" countries.
 
AcuraBoy said:
I see thousand of family in quebec with 2-3 kids, house/car payment, property taxes etc. with an income less then 100,000$. And yes they are happy! Surprising!!! Stop wasting money on stuff you dont really need (top of the line cell phone, clothes brand, 3-4 trip/per year,6-8 shoes/year, 3-4 restaurant/week), after that you will save a lot more then 5,000$ trust me.

Can you realize that 90% of quebec population do less then 130,000$?

And BTW im not the typical quebecer like you people think, im just for the '' GROS BON SENS ''


And Neither Charest/Marois/Legault as an idea of what is the '' Gros bon sens ''

But you know what is funny about that.... Marois might have a good chance to win you know why!! All the anglophones will spread there votes between Charets and Legault, and that will get Marois as the winner. Trust me its not gonna be better then Charest but defenitily its impossible to get worse.

So you guys rich people of MR (we all know that MR is full of rich people), stop being cheap and pay mouuuuahahahahah lol
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So the people who make 130k+, should give up luxuries that they earned for the people who haven't?

Why not take all the people on social aid who are fit to work, and deduct money from there income instead?

Why not eliminate some of the language laws, saving money, creating more business, therefore more taxable income?

Why offer benefits, social aid, medicare, child care, and child allowances for immigrants who never paid taxes to begin with?
 
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