exhaust vendu par le fabriquant

kdryden99 said:
X2 d'accord avec toi mais tu peux pas me dire qu'un photo peux faire preuvent d'un silencieux ilegale meme verifier par un pro
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non ca prend aussi 2,3 mesure
et si ta acces au muffler inserer un tige dedans ou une inspection visuelle pour voir si son free flow ou pas

et pour le son ben ben...un db metre

mais au moins l'avis final serait donne par quelqu'un de plus familiers

mais pour se que ca impliquerait et le peu de contestation je pense pas qui s'embarque la dedans
 
FoxMcloud said:
la SAAQ ne vérifie pas si l'exhaust correspond aux caractéristiques d'origine... elle vérifie si y'a des fuites et si elle est bien fixée... la police vérifie si elle correspond aux caractéristiques d'origine et s'il semble faire plus de bruit

mais serieusement, j'ai eu une Mustang GT 1996.. le meme modele que toi, et en 2006 c'etait encore disponible... es-tu certain que c'est completement discontinué?
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yup j'ai été voir chez Ford en début de semaine et c'est discontinuer.

surment que je pourrais en trouvé des used sur internet mais... j'aime bien le son du Borla ;)
 
jfh2007 said:
yup j'ai été voir chez Ford en début de semaine et c'est discontinuer.

surment que je pourrais en trouvé des used sur internet mais... j'aime bien le son du Borla ;)
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Si tu pense par exemple d'etre legale en mettant le borla je pense que tu devrais penser deux fois. Je connais quelq'un a achete le systeme nismo pour sont spec-v que d'origine est free flow et le nismo aussi et free flow et il a contester sont ticket et juge voulais rien entendre (prick) avait fait un super bon presentation avais tous ces arguments, avait meme un lettre de nissan canada et le juge a juger coupable pareil, meme si le gars avais raison.
 
en fait les borla sont sur la mustang depuis presque 3 ans et j'ai jamais eu de problème sauf en début d'année avec l'opération minoune. J'ai été coller pour des spacers de roues arrière donc j'ai été pogné pour passer l'inspection de la SAAQ (ordoner par un contrôleur routier) et le policer, s'en est pris au exhaust....

Selon la SAAQ, mes spacers ainsi que les mufflers sont correct pour eux.. mais selon le CSR ça va être à voir en cour....
 
c'est normal que j'ai reçu mon ticket par la poste plus de 4 mois après m'être fait arrêter? Je croyais que c'était 1 mois max... ?
 
j'apellerais le numero sur le ticket, dis comme de quoi que tu veux juste avoir un peux d'info (donne aucun info de ton ticket) et demande s'il y'a un temps de limite pour recevoir un ticket
 
l'inspection de la saaq vérifie seulement si le tout est instalé convnablement. les lois sur le son de muffler sont des lois municipale.

la saaq check les lois provincial qui concerne seulement l'instalation et l'usure des pièces
alors tu peux pas te défendre en disant que la saaq a dit que c correct
 
jeanlambertdr said:
l'inspection de la saaq vérifie seulement si le tout est instalé convnablement. les lois sur le son de muffler sont des lois municipale.

La SAAQ check les lois provincial qui concerne seulement l'instalation et l'usure des pièces
alors tu peux pas te défendre en disant que la saaq a dit que c correct
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La loi sur les echappements est provinciale. Peut-etre que certaines municipalité ont des lois municipale, mais dans la vraie vie c'est l'article 258 du CSR qui est appliqué.
 
a linspection si ta un muffler direct la loi provincial dira rien
mais la ville oui
faque linspection ne tranche pas dans ce genre de situation
je le sais jai travaillé sur les inspection de la saaq
tout ce qui est vérifier c si l'instalation est fait convnablement
la marque ou quoi que ce soit des muffler ya rien de sa qui est checker
 
someoneelse said:
Borla? Coupable.

C'est Ford qui a fabriqué le véhicule, pas Ford Racing.
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Mais que faire si les mufflers OEM sont discontinué? mettre la voiture au recyclage?...

je dit pas si ça aurait été des mufflers Magnaflow, Flowmaster, etc... c'est pas vendu par Ford mais les Borla étaient vendu par Ford directement au département des pièces
et au fait, c'est quoi exactement le:

Système d'échappement.

258. Tout véhicule automobile doit être muni d'un système d'échappement conforme aux normes établies par règlement.
 
bin c surprenant sa. tu vam e dire que ya pu d'exhaust pour ton mustang nul par??
au pire garde ceux la
sont cool pis tu tomberas pas toujours sur des policiers zelé.
tk moi j'ai garderais pis met un supercharge jusqua ske le silement étouffe le bruit des muffler hahaha
 
jeanlambertdr said:
bin c surprenant sa. tu vam e dire que ya pu d'exhaust pour ton mustang nul par??
au pire garde ceux la
sont cool pis tu tomberas pas toujours sur des policiers zelé.
tk moi j'ai garderais pis met un supercharge jusqua ske le silement étouffe le bruit des muffler hahaha
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chez Ford non, dans le use , surment mais c'est du 2 1/4"
j'ai pu mon moteur d,origine ... ;)
 
Revival from the dead.

What if you were to get an OEM aftermarket (MazdaSpeed, TRD, Mugen...) exhaust installed at the factory as an accessory when you buy the car. Would that not create a loophole with the fact that it's the "original" exhaust delivered with the car even though it's not the true stock muffler?
 
250Rocket said:
Revival from the dead.

What if you were to get an OEM aftermarket (MazdaSpeed, TRD, Mugen...) exhaust installed at the factory as an accessory when you buy the car. Would that not create a loophole with the fact that it's the "original" exhaust delivered with the car even though it's not the true stock muffler?
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the law say the muffler from THE MANUFACTURER...the DEALER is not the MANUFACTURER

the only loop hole i saw is if that racing muffler was a possible option from the manufacturer and the car didn't had it originally but was installed after by the dealer
 
srt_mod said:
the law say the muffler from THE MANUFACTURER...the DEALER is not the MANUFACTURER

the only loop hole i saw is if that racing muffler was a possible option from the manufacturer and the car didn't had it originally but was installed after by the dealer
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Whether it was the factory in Japan or the dealer who actually installs it, I would imagine that because it will show up on the invoice with the car and the first time you take possession of the car the exhaust system will be installed i do not see how they can claim it's illegal (not the original).

If that was the case it would render just about every sports package manufacturer offer. Heck I was looking into the Accord sport and that has a muffler upgrade.
 
250Rocket said:
Whether it was the factory in Japan or the dealer who actually installs it, I would imagine that because it will show up on the invoice with the car and the first time you take possession of the car the exhaust system will be installed i do not see how they can claim it's illegal (not the original).

If that was the case it would render just about every sports package manufacturer offer. Heck I was looking into the Accord sport and that has a muffler upgrade.
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you don't seem to understand and you seem to be saying it yourself ...or i may misread you

every sport package that is offered by the manufacturer (is that offered by the MANUFACTURER) so it's legal

and for the first possesion ...it's a no go they will check the VIN to check what was to option with that car...anything installed at the dealer won't show with the VIN
 
The problem is the 2 different conflicting laws. On the one hand, the SAAQ allows you to modify the exhaust as long as it's not louder than the original and that it passes mechanical inspection (meaning it works and has no leaks or flaws, regardless of sound, shape or size), whereas the "CSR" states it must have the same characteristics as the original if changed.The problem is how vague the word "characteristic" is. If it's an inch longer, it's not the same, if it's a different color, it's not the same, if the tip is on a different angle, it's not the same. So basically, if they want to, they can give you a ticket for any muffler that was not installed when the car was built in the first place.

Now, the 2013 question being if the car had the possibility of being delivered from the manufacturer with said "illegal" item, but it wasn't and it ended up being installed by the dealer, then technically, no it's not legal. However, if said part carries the manufacturers logo and it WAS installed by the dealer, the court may let it slide. This will especially be true when the vehicle in question is older and has no reference to what consists of "original." For example, an R32 Skyline GTR has a stock free-flow muffler, but rare are the ones still with the stock line. So a Nismo after-market line would be acceptable since there is no reference.

In any case, the best thing to do is not get an overly easy-to-spot exhaust and to drive quietly and responsibly in the streets to not get bothered.
 
JoeyV said:
The problem is the 2 different conflicting laws. On the one hand, the SAAQ allows you to modify the exhaust as long as it's not louder than the original and that it passes mechanical inspection (meaning it works and has no leaks or flaws, regardless of sound, shape or size), whereas the "CSR" states it must have the same characteristics as the original if changed.The problem is how vague the word "characteristic" is. If it's an inch longer, it's not the same, if it's a different color, it's not the same, if the tip is on a different angle, it's not the same. So basically, if they want to, they can give you a ticket for any muffler that was not installed when the car was built in the first place.

Now, the 2013 question being if the car had the possibility of being delivered from the manufacturer with said "illegal" item, but it wasn't and it ended up being installed by the dealer, then technically, no it's not legal. However, if said part carries the manufacturers logo and it WAS installed by the dealer, the court may let it slide. This will especially be true when the vehicle in question is older and has no reference to what consists of "original." For example, an R32 Skyline GTR has a stock free-flow muffler, but rare are the ones still with the stock line. So a Nismo after-market line would be acceptable since there is no reference.

In any case, the best thing to do is not get an overly easy-to-spot exhaust and to drive quietly and responsibly in the streets to not get bothered.
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There is nothing that states that it has to be the same characteristics if changed. Everything else you've stated afterwards is also a figment of your imagination and that of many MR members as well as the police and courts.
 
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250Rocket said:
Whether it was the factory in Japan or the dealer who actually installs it, I would imagine that because it will show up on the invoice with the car and the first time you take possession of the car the exhaust system will be installed i do not see how they can claim it's illegal (not the original).

If that was the case it would render just about every sports package manufacturer offer. Heck I was looking into the Accord sport and that has a muffler upgrade.
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the muffler upgrade is done at the dealership. Not at the manufacturer. The car is produce from the factory with stock exhaust and then is modified.

If we take the DC2 ITR for example, it was NOT a regular DC2 with performance parts upgrades. It was shipped and built from the factory with performance parts compared to the regular DC2. Putting ITR exhaust parts on a regular DC2 is illegal. Those parts never came from the factory installed on regular DC2s.

Same thing for say a 2002 trans-am vs a 2002 trans-am WS6 pacakge. The car was built from the factory with performance exhaust, intake, wheels and badges. Putting an exhaust like the one of the WS6 on a regular transam would make it illegal.

And so on.

Either way, point is, we could go back and forth about this but the courts have all agreed: If the car didn't come out of the factory with the part, its considered aftermarket.

The best example I've seen on MR are the mazdaspeed exhausts. The Mazdaspeed Protege came from the factory/manufacturer with a performance exhaust. Someone who purchased a regular mazda protege that added a Mazdaspeed exhaust during purchase would be considered illegal because it was was not shipped from the factory/manufacturer with that part even if the dealership is offering such upgrades. It's the dealership who installed it and the law is clear:

94. No component of the exhaust system shall be replaced, modified or removed so as to cause the system to be noisier than the one originally installed by the manufacturer on the road vehicle.
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Cops aint stupid either. They know how loud a mazda protege is and what exhaust it comes with from the MANUFACTURER/FACTORY. if they see mazdaspeed on it, it's considered an aftermarket upgrade.
 
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