The english in Quebec... seen from a now english canadian.(yes, another one of those)

I used to work with pure Quebeckers that only speak french and I always noticed that they felt oppressed by anglophones. Probably because of the lack of knowledge. I guess you fear what you dont understand and hate it at the same time.

This is exactly the same thing regarding many english speakers.
Those who speaks 2 or more languages are usualy WAY more open minded than the one who speaks only one...
The guys saying speak white were unilingual english speakers and were most likely handicaped with their lack of knowledge.
 
This is exactly the same thing regarding many english speakers.
Those who speaks 2 or more languages are usualy WAY more open minded than the one who speaks only one...
The guys saying speak white were unilingual english speakers and were most likely handicaped with their lack of knowledge.

Je veux pas generaliser, c est possible que j aille tort mais j'ai vraiment l'impression que les gens du W-I nous détestent.
 
I'm going to come at this from a different point of view.
My whole life I've lived in the Hawkesbury region. This may shock a lot of people, but most of Ontario along the 417 until you hit Ottawa is dominantly French speaking. I'd say it's probably close to 60/40 French to English ratio.

Now if this makes any sense, I consider myself a French-Anglophone. On my mother's side my grandfather was Irish and my Grandmother was French-Canadian. On my father's side both were French-Canadian. On my mother's side my grandfather spoke no French. My grandmother married him because he was a farmer, and back then marrying a farmer meant you were set for life. My mom is one of nine children, all of whom are pretty much perfectly bilingual. On my father's side, none of the 8 children speak French. The reason though is because they grew up in an English area and then moved to the Hawkesbury region. Mind you they're all functionally bilingual.
So I grew up in a huge mix up of both languages. I also went to a split bilingual school. Once I hit high school my french kind of went away due to going to an English school and the top level French class in grade 9 was stuff we'd learned in grade 6. After grade 9 I never took another French class because it was a waste of time. Since then all my French has been through work, friends, and every day life.

I'd say Hawkesbury itself is probably 80% French. Of those people, most are functionally bilingual. You have people who are perfectly bilingual, and you have the people who literally are welfare cases and aren't smart enough to comprehend a single word you speak. You'd think after about 40 years of hearing English you could catch on a bit, but I digress.

I grew up speaking French to all my French hockey friends (let's face it, unless you go to a bilingual school you probably don't speak much of the other language before 10 years old), English to friends and family, and "Franglais" to everybody that was Francophone but at least functionally bilingual. I guess being around all this - for lack of a better word - culture, has lead me to view different people certain ways.
I don't think I've ever met an Anglophone who doesn't understand any French. This is the complete opposite of what you're saying. I have however come across many Francophones whom speak no English.

The way I view the language issue in Quebec is pretty simple. Both extreme sides are incredibly ignorant. English is one hell of a bastard language. So many of the words are just words from another language. By the same token, so many aspects of life in this day an age have become English. The whole "pasta" thing is a good example. While not English, it's a word that is used to describe something. We all know what it means. Translate "Swiffer" to French. I'll wait.



I haven't seen any instances of English speaking people not speaking French personally. I guess that's because it's just natural for me to always speak English first. I have on many occasions only been replied to in French. I usually decide to be that asshole who only replies in English.
Montreal is most definitely a bilingual city. It's of course multilingual, but there are tons English based businesses.
What I've seen in Quebec is the Francophones put up much more of a hassle than Anglophones.

While I believe the way our country was founded and structured that Quebec can do whatever they want, they're only hurting themselves with trying to remain French.
As an American or any foreigner it must be damn near impossible to navigate. Hell, I'm bilingual and I have a hard time with road signs sometimes. This whole speak French of walk is going to deliver a huge blow to tourism.
Both sides are to blame though. I don't care what country or province you come from. I don't care if you're in Quebec by choice or not. You should make an effort to speak French. By the same token, the Francophones should make an effort to speak English.
 
@Drear: I spent a few years working at gas stations. You wouldn't believe how many Quebeckers were shocked that I spoke French. Like I said in my book I always speak English first. When greeting a customer I'd always say "Hi". Of course the lost lady from Quebec tries to ask a question in some horrid form of English. Being bilingual and growing up around lots of French people I understand the question and reply in French. It was always "Mon dieu vous parlez Francais?"

Every single time I felt like saying "No bitch. You're one shrooms and magically heard my English response in French."
Many French people don't seem to comprehend that there's bilingual people in a bilingual province.
 
@Drear: I spent a few years working at gas stations. You wouldn't believe how many Quebeckers were shocked that I spoke French. Like I said in my book I always speak English first. When greeting a customer I'd always say "Hi". Of course the lost lady from Quebec tries to ask a question in some horrid form of English. Being bilingual and growing up around lots of French people I understand the question and reply in French. It was always "Mon dieu vous parlez Francais?"

Every single time I felt like saying "No bitch. You're one shrooms and magically heard my English response in French."
Many French people don't seem to comprehend that there's bilingual people in a bilingual province.

Haha this is just what I was thinking of the Quebecois issue. They cannot believe that anyone else in Canada speaks french, and I guess that's why niether the french nor the engish like them. They tend to be very self centered. As for your experiences in your thorough reply, I will tell you where I get this vibe from : The Gazette. Is there a whiner, weaker, lower than that publication in the whole wide world? this thing is a fucking cry fest of hatred, people who have a superiority complex and entitlement that is beyond boundaries, and that paper echoes my sentiment from the english quebecers I`ve dealt with. Always bitching about the french, always being poor victims, downplaying quebec culture, shameless arrogance to all the people who live there, it disgusts me.

But all kidding aside, I love out part of the country. Franglais is amazing and all the people I hang out with are perfectly bilingual, and accept both languages with no discrimination. They all have those original backgrounds of pure english and pure french mixed by marriage and it is absolutely a marvellous combination of people who are open and generally smart (except les BS de hawksbury).
 
I agree with both sides of the spectrum. My dad is an immigrant and my first language was neither french nor english. I'm also from the west-island. I just think there's ALOT of generalization going on in this thread. Yes I do agree, there are some douche bags here ... Granted. And yes, WI is mostly English, Fair.
BUT in the 10 years that I've been here, not once have I seen an anglo miss treat some one thats french speaking (not saying that it never happens either). On the other side, I have been treated like absolute shit (in terrebonne) when i started speaking french. It was obvious that I don't have a french accent. The difference is that I wouldn't treat every other french person i see just because of that one experience. I have tremendous respect for the language.

All this to say that in reality, it's split 50/50. There will always be a couple of bad apples on both sides that stir shit up.
 
Haha see, I don't mean to pick on you but you're exactly that which I do not understand. A french speaking person would never get out of quebec and expect to be served in french, yet, for some reason, believe that because they speak english, the french should accomodate them.

They might not expect to be greeted or served in French, but they certainly use it as reasoning for not wanting to serve Anglos in English here in Quebec. They say this because they assume no one speaks French outside of QC and even more falsely think that French will not be served at all. All this based on lack of education of the fact that French is very present in many parts of the country outside of Quebec...and that the provincial governments even have special laws to protect the rights of those French speakers in unilingual English provinces.

The anglos from Montreal feel soooooo entitled, it's disgusting(don't get me wrong, I'm mearly buliding the thought further, but this is not in reference to you personally). Because Canada was made from a mix of french and english doesn't warrant the french having to accomodate the english on their own turf, same thing for the english with french, for reasons of logic and practicality.

And the Montreal Anglos are right to their entitlement. Forget the rest of Quebec for a second and concentrate on Montreal, which lets face it, is what actually makes Quebec run. Montreal was founded by English much more than the French, so technically, it's English "turf" Not French turf. To think that French is the majority language in MTL is plain ignorance (no offense to you, jsut a general statement)

I don't expect to find a French speaking clerk at walmart in Yellowknife, but the english of montreal feel and about feel that they should be different, because they speak english haha. You know what, I honestly believe that this is what is driving the French police to act in bad faith. I'm sure if the franco-ontarians started acting like that, there would be an english police in Ontario.

No, you wouldn't, because it's essentially unspoken in that region, but in a place where a high concentration of French speakers are, like Plamondon, Girouxville and St-Paul in Alberta, you would expect to have the ability to be served in French...regardless of the fact that the province is purely English speaking. For the Franco-Ontarians, they wouldn't need to act that way, because contrary to the ways of the Quebec Government, they have laws protecting their language, even though it is a REAL minority(unlike English in MTL)...not laws PUNISHING them.

I honestly find such an entitlement from a minority to be astounding! The french have earned the legicimacy of their language, and I personally find it beautiful. I really do not understand why an anglophone feels he should be accomodated. I really do not believe he should, even though this is where opinion would diverge. Whenever I got back to Quebec, I switch to 100% french and am pleased to do so, even though my daily routine in Ottawa is almost strictly in english. It's just normal, I find.

Once again, English is not the minority in MTL, which is where all the language police issues are. It has been mentioned that there are no issues outside of Montreal, because English is actually a minority language, and I find that acceptable, and even agree with it. But to fine a shop owner in the West-Island for not having the english letters in his signage smaller than the french ones, is just ridiculous.

Personally, I don't think the province needs to be bilingual, I think it should simply apply laws like other provinces protecting the rights of the "minority" language in areas of high concentration (as you keep calling it) rather than stomping on it.


Ah, pi tout ca, je le dit pas en tant qu'anglophone. Je le dit en tant que personne qui regarde de l'interieur. Je trouve ca plate qu'au Quebec, on est pas capable d'accepter le fait que l'Anglais est tres present et tres important a Monrteal. C'est plate de voir des jeunes (comme des moin jeune dailleur) dire des conneries tel que "Eill l'esti d'anglais, va t'en chez vous, icite c'est le quebec" comme si l'anglophone venait d'ailleurs et n'etais pas le bienvenu comme immigrant.
 
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I like this thread... it's civilized, there seem to be a clear understanding of the whole nation thing and as a french canadian... well i say, idiots are idiots... you hate someone for their language? Fuck you!!

I'm so happy to be able to speak French and English but it's a shame for me when i see people speaking 3-4-5 languages...
 
I like this thread... it's civilized, there seem to be a clear understanding of the whole nation thing and as a french canadian... well i say, idiots are idiots... you hate someone for their language? Fuck you!!

I'm so happy to be able to speak French and English but it's a shame for me when i see people speaking 3-4-5 languages...


just out of curiosity, Why is it a bad thing that people talk more then 2 languages? (no hate ... just trying to see your side of it)
 
I honestly find such an entitlement from a minority to be astounding! The french have earned the legicimacy of their language, and I personally find it beautiful. I really do not understand why an anglophone feels he should be accomodated. I really do not believe he should, even though this is where opinion would diverge. Whenever I got back to Quebec, I switch to 100% french and am pleased to do so, even though my daily routine in Ottawa is almost strictly in english. It's just normal, I find.

I can't agree more with that and i remember a story from an english speaking MR member that was really mad at a teenage girl that could not serve him in english at a mcdonald drive thru in RIMOUSKI and made fun of her ( and the mr member in question said that he had no problems in french ). I mean how miserable your life must be to be such an asshole...
 
@OP, you must be trolling or on Marois' payroll or something. One thing that you seem to forget is that the english aren't the ones who wrote bill 101, or even bill 14 for that matter. English as far as the PQ and the St-Jean Baptise foundation is concerned should be outlawed. They are in power and they are perpetuating the current climate between anglo & franco. I've never heard anywhere about the english banning french, ever! But suddenly its a crime to have an overly english sign in an english speaking enclave (which the west-island is due to demographics). Now all that stuff you've been saying about ppl being dooches and refusing to serve people sure its bad but I think its more a reflection of their lack of human decency rather than really having to do with language.

Finally the real reason we have a language war in Quebec is to distract us from the real problems. Corruption, bad infrastructure, failing hospitals and schools is what are gov't doesn't want to deal with. Instead they hide behind the hatred and mistrust they have artificially manufactured between THE SAME PEOPLE (since anglos and francos are countrymen) so they can keep hold on their power and cushy jobs.

I am a 1st Generation Half Black half eastern European Bilingual resident of the west island and this is the truth. All this crap about language is just some made up shit to hide the real problems here.
 
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I'll have to agree with dread specter about the west island people being douches with french people. Happened to me a couple of times when I spoke english and got served like shit because they knew I was french. Not that I had any difficulty speaking english but..I dont know...
I still cant figure it out why... Why do w-islanders hates us so bad. I personally never made fun of any anglo in my life simply because it was simply natural for me to speak both. I was raised with both languages and never bothered me. Au contraire!

I used to work in Boucherville and id say that more than half of the shop was english. Never bothered me at all. We used to share expressions, words and correct each other just for the positive side of it.

I think were both at fault in this game, its a 50-50 situation. Why dont we just try something out. We should all try this at least five times whenever you get the chance, just be nice to each other next time you meet someone who speak the other language.

Lets FUCKING defuse this situation once and for all.

You are talking out of your ass as usual. I have never ever seen disrespect to the french in the west island, ever. I have an accent too, never have I had problems adressing people in french or english. Keep lying to yourself Marois voter.

No one hates you. You are so dumb, so so dumb.
 
You are talking out of your ass as usual. I have never ever seen disrespect to the french in the west island, ever. I have an accent too, never have I had problems adressing people in french or english. Keep lying to yourself Marois voter.

No one hates you. You are so dumb, so so dumb.

You said it yourself!! '' I HAVE NEVER SEEN...'' It happened to ME! Not you. ME! I didnt offended anybody, im simply stating what happened to me 3 times. Le reste de toute mes experiences se sont tres bien passé. Donc CLAIREMENT, tu cherches seulement le negatif.

LOl who are you to tell me im speaking out of my ass? Where you in my shorts? C'est drole parce que j'ai ecris des dizaines de messages avec au moins 20 choses positives mais t'as ''pogné'' les nerfs, t'as vu rouge et tu te mets a m'insulter.
 
So dont generalise, ''west island douches and they hate us''. Hate who? Theres a lot of pure laine in the west island and they have no problems living here whatsoever. I have worked at a retail level in the west island for years, never has any anglo said any bad things about a french speaking customer or person.

I dont understand your posts dude. And I am telling you speak out of you ass because you do. You try to bring out some positive in your posts, but underneath you surely have a certain hate towards the english speaking.
 
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