The english in Quebec... seen from a now english canadian.(yes, another one of those)

infinite said:
my conclusion? i just think some people from quebec have some kind of inferior complex and are just too insecure about their heritage and culture. that's all i can think of them.
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Le Québecois moyen... (pas tous je généralise là) mais bon le québecois moyen est peureux, se sent inférieur à tout sauf son voisin et effectivement c'est du à l'éducation reçu depuis sa tendre enfance. Pourquoi ? On était né pour un petit pain.

Do you realize that in the 70's 70% of the big companies didn't had french speaking managers?
in the 80's you started to see french canadiens at head of big companies but it really started to in 90's ... that's not a long time ago.
 
dolomight 74-86 said:
Et alors? Ces echeques politques nous n'empechent pas de vivre ensemble dans une maniere civilise. Aussi quelle reconciliation? Y'avait t'ill une guerre apres les plaines d'abrahames auxquel je ne suis pas au courrant?
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Je pense que les anglos et francos cohabitent très bien ensemble, ce n'est pas parfait mais c'est mieux que bien des pays ou il y a d'autres "nationalités" qui cohabitent...
Je crois qu'on est déjà civilisé.

Réconciliation? je parle du Québec bashing et Canada bashing... pour moi, arrêter ça serait une réconciliation.
 
Viking77 said:
Je pense que les anglos et francos cohabitent très bien ensemble, ce n'est pas parfait mais c'est mieux que bien des pays ou il y a d'autres "nationalités" qui cohabitent...
Je crois qu'on est déjà civilisé.

Réconciliation? je parle du Québec bashing et Canada bashing... pour moi, arrêter ça serait une réconciliation.
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You bring very interesting ppoint of views Viking.
Clearly you do not have the same hatred as some of the people who posted here. I sense a lot of frustration from our english speaking mates, what's up with you lads?
And yes, in most of the world, people speak their own language amongst themselves, a may conduct business in english with foreigners, but that's where it stops. It's a concept that seems very remote to some people here though. What I love to see is how people who are bilingual are actually a lot less prone to hate than those who are unilingual or who favour on specefic language. One can tell that the groups still fear eachother, except when one would fit in both groups, then they actually embrace one another's ways.

And yes, the bashing doesnt help
 
Viking77 said:
Je pense que les anglos et francos cohabitent très bien ensemble, ce n'est pas parfait mais c'est mieux que bien des pays ou il y a d'autres "nationalités" qui cohabitent...
Je crois qu'on est déjà civilisé.

Réconciliation? je parle du Québec bashing et Canada bashing... pour moi, arrêter ça serait une réconciliation.
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On arrete ca avec du dialogue et de la co-operation, c'est tout. Si on vit ensemble, travaillent ensemble et on se parlent eventuellement tous cette mentalite "Us versus them" va disparaitre. A mon avis c'est tout ce qui manque.
 
dolomight 74-86 said:
On arrete ca avec du dialogue et de la co-operation, c'est tout. Si on vit ensemble, travaillent ensemble et on se parlent eventuellement tous cette mentalite "Us versus them" va disparaitre. A mon avis c'est tout ce qui manque.
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I agree but it think there's a tad more to it. There has to be good will. And by good will I mean a desire to accept that youa re surrounded by peo;le of different language and culture and open you mind to it. In the case of french quebecois, it has to be that you have to be willing to do business in french, and I think that the vast majority of montreals are accepting that. However, the anglo-montreal has to realize that they are in a french enclave and must do their part in accepting that. When I read the front page of MR, I do not know who writes it, but the french is so pitiful I couldn't believe it's someone for montreal, and I don't mean to offend the person who writes like that, because it's great they make the effort, but I can only witness a lack of mastery of that language, which I find as unusual as that of an immigrant who has lived in canada for 25 years and doesnt speak french nor english..
 
Its Montreal Racing not Course Montréal it is great that it has a translation to french because their would be no obligation to do so and they do it anyway. Thing is im pretty sure no one is actually taking free time to translate everything on here I dont know for sure but I think its Danny that write and translate it feel free to correct me if im wrong.

On another note I think is hypocritical from some people in this province to think its a bilingual province it is not. Clearly if you traveled trought out Canada you can see that Quebec is almost fully unilingual french.
 
ProTg94DX said:
Its Montreal Racing not Course Montréal it is great that it has a translation to french because their would be no obligation to do so and they do it anyway. Thing is im pretty sure no one is actually taking free time to translate everything on here I dont know for sure but I think its Danny that write and translate it feel free to correct me if im wrong.

On another note I think is hypocritical from some people in this province to think its a bilingual province it is not. Clearly if you traveled trought out Canada you can see that Quebec is almost fully unilingual french.
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I beg to differ.
With the amount of american TV shows watched in their native language, the videogames, the chatrooms, the forums, etc etc, i think that they are more than ever open to the anglo-saxon world and it's language. Our online generation has been bilingual like never before and the trend will not die down.
 
ProTg94DX said:
On another note I think is hypocritical from some people in this province to think its a bilingual province it is not. Clearly if you traveled trought out Canada you can see that Quebec is almost fully unilingual french.
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It's delusional to think it's bilingual...
 
Dread Specter said:
I beg to differ.
With the amount of american TV shows watched in their native language, the videogames, the chatrooms, the forums, etc etc, i think that they are more than ever open to the anglo-saxon world and it's language. Our online generation has been bilingual like never before and the trend will not die down.
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I see what your saying and im 100% with you but the older generation that is still the major part of our society isnt if you leave the 514-450 area that is even parts of the 450 is unilingue french and people cant even speak basic english. IMO

Ronin said:
It's delusional to think it's bilingual...
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I have been to alot ot new brunswick and a couple months here and there to ontario and nova scotia and I could always be served in french if I wanted and they did the effort to help me the best they could in french if i wanted unlike here in Quebec when an english speaking person want to have service in english and they get the basic On est au Québec ici ! Les média disent que le francais recule au Québec ,mais c'est faux.
 
ProTg94DX said:
I see what your saying and im 100% with you but the older generation that is still the major part of our society isnt if you leave the 514-450 area that is even parts of the 450 is unilingue french and people cant even speak basic english. IMO



I have been to alot ot new brunswick and a couple months here and there to ontario and nova scotia and I could always be served in french if I wanted and they did the effort to help me the best they could in french if i wanted unlike here in Quebec when an english speaking person want to have service in english and they get the basic On est au Québec ici ! Les média disent que le francais recule au Québec ,mais c'est faux.
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Pour Montréal et l'Outaouais, on peut pas vraiment dire ça...
 
C'est mon opinion personnel ,mais bon y'en a qui trouve que oui moi je trouve que non, je n'aime pas les médias en partant alors peux être que je suis biaiser un peu ? Je trouve que c'est une fausse peur véhiculé par le PQ pour justifier des nouvelles loi et des règles pour protéger des jobs de fonctionnaires et en créer d'autre. Ceci est mon opinion bien sur.
 
Dread Specter said:
I agree but it think there's a tad more to it. There has to be good will. And by good will I mean a desire to accept that youa re surrounded by peo;le of different language and culture and open you mind to it. In the case of french quebecois, it has to be that you have to be willing to do business in french, and I think that the vast majority of montreals are accepting that. However, the anglo-montreal has to realize that they are in a french enclave and must do their part in accepting that. When I read the front page of MR, I do not know who writes it, but the french is so pitiful I couldn't believe it's someone for montreal, and I don't mean to offend the person who writes like that, because it's great they make the effort, but I can only witness a lack of mastery of that language, which I find as unusual as that of an immigrant who has lived in canada for 25 years and doesnt speak french nor english..
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You know what the real problem is that one side is trying to force the other to comply, and both anglos and francos are guilty of this. If we had a "you do your thing I'll do mine and I won't hate on you for your choice" way of viewing language we wouldn't have these french vs english problems. It's just neither side will drop it really and people just militate their position to the death.

Realizing your in a french or english area isn't really what's at issue here because that is hard to dispute, its just our attitude we have towards the people we view as on the other side. If we have respect for one another people will be more willing to be civil and accommodating. We just have to remember its our human nature to hate on the other side, but stop the hate and there is no other side since we're all people.
 
dolomight 74-86 said:
You know what the real problem is that one side is trying to force the other to comply, and both anglos and francos are guilty of this. If we had a "you do your thing I'll do mine and I won't hate on you for your choice" way of viewing language we wouldn't have these french vs english problems. It's just neither side will drop it really and people just militate their position to the death.

Realizing your in a french or english area isn't really what's at issue here because that is hard to dispute, its just our attitude we have towards the people we view as on the other side. If we have respect for one another people will be more willing to be civil and accommodating. We just have to remember its our human nature to hate on the other side, but stop the hate and there is no other side since we're all people.
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Well said. *tu*

ProTg94DX said:
I see what your saying and im 100% with you but the older generation that is still the major part of our society isnt if you leave the 514-450 area that is even parts of the 450 is unilingue french and people cant even speak basic english. IMO



I have been to alot ot new brunswick and a couple months here and there to ontario and nova scotia and I could always be served in french if I wanted and they did the effort to help me the best they could in french if i wanted unlike here in Quebec when an english speaking person want to have service in english and they get the basic On est au Québec ici ! Les média disent que le francais recule au Québec ,mais c'est faux.
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This is my experience as well. People in most of eastern canada do not mind trying to help out osmeone who is having a harder time with the second official language. Even in New York and Vermont, you'll find people who are willing to speak french to a franco struggling in english. It's nice to see people who do no fear one another for a simple language barrier.
 
Je trouve ca tellement bizare et meme temps triste de voir certaines personnes qui sont FIERS de certains politiciens....
C'est IMPOSSIBLE d'etre fier et satisfait de la job d'un politicien. Faut etre credule en crisse pour le faire.
 
dolomight 74-86 said:
I find that if you use your smarts to support your points instead of attacking another persons credibility, you will have a better discussion.
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ProTg94DX said:
I really love this discussion because it still a discussion and not a hate fest.
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I got to say, I thought it would derail before even posting, then I thought it was about to derail for a while, then it kinda went towards a grown up discussion which was really eye openeing. Thanks for keeping it civil MR, faith has been restored haha !

This is the type of civility that we would need to get this conflict to end. From what I've seen, the MR community is a perfect example of that cohesion between french and english speaking communites, a real example to abide by.
 
Born in Brossard, moved to St-Bruno, then moved to the west island for 20 years now. Never heard any of my french friends complain about being mistreated or served poorly here. But I have on many occasions been hated on for being a "maudit riche anglais du west island"
 
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