ALERTE (2013-03-13) La Corée du Nord & les Etats-Unis

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/05/world/asia/koreas-tensions/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

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A Russian bomber recently carried out simulated cruise missile attacks on U.S. missile defenses in Asia, raising new questions about Moscow’s goal in future U.S.-Russian defense talks.

According to U.S. officials, a Russian Tu-22M Backfire bomber on Feb. 26 simulated firing air-launched cruise missiles at an Aegis ship deployed near Japan as part of U.S. missile defenses.

A second mock attack was conducted Feb. 27 against a ground-based missile defense site in Japan that officials did not identify further.

The Pentagon operates an X-band missile defense radar on the northern tip of Japan that is designed to monitor North Korean missile launches and transmit the data to missile-firing ships.

The bomber targeting comes as Russia is building up forces in the Pacific by modernizing submarines and building a spy ship specifically for intelligence-gathering against U.S. missile defenses.

Officials said it was not clear why the Russians conducted the practice strikes. However, the simulations may indicate Moscow has targeted its offensive ballistic missiles on Japan or U.S. military bases in the region.

U.S. missile defenses in Asia currently are at a heightened alert status as a result of tensions with North Korea. The communist state has threatened to conduct nuclear missile attacks on the United States and South Korea.

The incidents were detected by U.S. intelligence-gathering systems in the region and reported recently inside the Pentagon.

“As a matter of policy we do not comment on matters of intelligence,” Lt. Col. Catherine Wilkinson said when asked about the Backfire bomber incident.

The Tu-22 bomber can carry up to three air-launched Kh-22 land attack cruise missiles. The bomber has a range of about 2,500 miles.

Retired Air Force Lt. Gen. Tom McInerney said the Backfire targeting is troubling.

“Russia continues to conduct aggressive offensive missile training in the Pacific against U.S. and Allied Forces,” McInerney said.

“We should understand that they look at ‘reset’ differently than we do,” said the retired three-star general, who once commanded forces in Alaska. “They look at it as regaining their previous USSR position as a superpower while this administration is moving towards unilateral disarmament.”

Eric Edelman, undersecretary of defense for policy during the George W. Bush administration, said it is difficult to assess why the Russians carried out the simulated strikes.

Edelman said practice runs may be “a demonstration of continued Russia opposition to and hyping of their animosity toward U.S. missile defense deployments globally.”

“In the wake of the administration’s ‘restructuring’’—read cancelation—of the SM-3 Block IIB which was supposedly the most neuralgic part for Moscow of the administration’s [European Phased Adaptive Approach], the Russians are signaling that they are pocketing that concession and upping the ante in their opposition to missile defense—not just in Europe, but globally,” Edelman told the Free Beacon in an email.

The Russians in the past have said their opposition to missile defense was not limited to Europe but included global missile defense deployments, he said. “This is just a symbol of how much that remains the case.”

The latest bomber encounter in Asia comes weeks before White House National Security adviser Thomas Donilon will visit Moscow in an effort to restart stalled missile defense talks with the Russians, who for the past four years have demanded legal restrictions on U.S. missile defenses in Europe.

Donilon is expected to seek a Russian return to the negotiating table after the Pentagon announced last month it is scrapping plans for a high-powered variant of the Navy’s SM-3 missile interceptor called the Block IIB. The cancellation was widely viewed as a concession to Russia. The Russians are opposed to placing interceptors in Europe and claim the missile will be used against Russian offensive missiles.

The bomber targeting of U.S. missile defenses also followed stepped up Russian bomber activities targeting other U.S. missile defense sites, including ground-based interceptors in Alaska and California. A large-scale Russian military exercise in the Arctic in June included flights by two Tu-95 Bear bombers that Russian military officials said had simulated attacks on U.S. missile defenses in Alaska.

Another pair of Tu-95s flew on July 4 the closest to the California coast that a Russian bomber had flown since the days of the Soviet Union, when strategic bomber flights near U.S. coasts were a routine feature of the Cold War.

Russian targeting of missile defenses also comes as Moscow’s GRU military intelligence announced April 1 that it would deploy a new reconnaissance ship in the Pacific to spy on U.S. missile defenses in Alaska and Hawaii.

The ship Yuri Ivanov will begin service next year, military sources told the state-run Izvestia news outlet.

One source said the main mission of the ship would be to monitor U.S. missile defense components in Alaska and Hawaii. The ship will be outfitted with electronic sensors that allow detection, interception, and analysis of signals from radar, weapons systems, and communications.

Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoygu told Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel during a telephone call March 25 that Moscow wanted to resume missile defense talks.

Pentagon spokesman George Little said in a statement that Shoygu “expressed his desire to reconvene missile defense discussions with the U.S. at the deputy minister level.”

“Secretary Hagel agreed and reiterated that this is an important part of U.S.-Russian relations,” Little said. “He assured Minister Shoygu that these discussions would continue and be carried forward by under secretary of defense for policy Dr. Jim Miller.”

Russian accounts of the conversation said the Russians plan to discuss the U.S. and NATO missile defense for Europe.

“We are very interested in how the situation surrounding the European missile-defense will develop, and our minister proposed reconvening regular consultations on this matter at deputy defense minister level: Anatoly Antonov from the Russian side and James Miller from the American side,” Shoygu’s deputy Anatoly Antonov said, according to the RIA Novosti news agency.

U.S. plans for missile defenses in Europe include a phased approach that will employ a combination of ships and ground-based missile defenses designed mainly to counter attacks from Iranian missiles.

Hagel announced last month that the Pentagon would give up plans for the SM-3 IIB and instead increase the number of ground-based interceptors in California and Alaska from 30 to 44 over the next several years.

Russia’s Foreign Ministry issued a statement after that announcement saying the United States continues to bolster global missile defenses, and therefore there is a need to work out “reliably legally binding guarantees” that missile defenses in Europe will not be targeted at Russian missiles.

Moscow has said the European defenses pose a threat to Russian security and late last year a Russian general threatened preemptive attacks on U.S. missile defense sites in any future crisis.

One venue for the missile defense talks could be the international conference on European security set to begin May 23 in Moscow, when Hagel could attend, according a Russian official quoted in press reports.

According to a Russian source quoted by Izvestya, the Russian Navy intelligence directorate urgently needs the spy ship because its surveillance vessels are old and outdated and ships can get closer to intelligence targets than aircraft. Ships also can be stationed for several days before being discovered.

“We now have practically no specialist reconnaissance ships left,” the source said. “Those that we have were built in the 1970s and 1980s and are in poor condition. The Yuri Ivanov is a ship with a fundamentally new, highly productive reconnaissance complex.”

The Ivanov is classified as a special communications ship 95 meters long with a displacement of 4,000 tons. It will be deployed with Russia’s Pacific fleet.

Moscow also announced Apr. 1 that it would modernize three Oscar II diesel powered, nuclear cruise missile submarines as part of a modernization of the Russian Pacific Fleet.

The submarines were built for attacking aircraft carrier strike groups and their weaponry included 24 SS-N-19 missiles and 28 torpedo tube launched missiles and torpedoes. A Russian military news outlet reported that the Oscar II modernization would include adding supersonic SS-N-26 anti-ship cruise missiles.

Former chief of the Russian General Staff Gen. Yuri Baluyevsky told a conference earlier this week in Moscow that the United States has not abandoned strategic plans for preventive nuclear strikes on both Russia and China. Baluyevsky said U.S. missile defenses are designed to prevent attacks after a U.S. first-strike nuclear attack, Interfax AVN reported April 2.

Former Russian Strategic Rocket Forces commander Col. Gen. Victor Yesin at the same conference said Russian offensive missiles would be able to overcome any U.S. missile defense system.

Yesin said any attempts to negotiate a new treaty with the United States like the now-abandoned 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty will fail.

“Whether we like it or not, the Americans will build their missile defense,” Yesin said. “We will be unable to make them stop. Any attempt to force the Americans to abandon or at least sign a new missile defense treaty in the format of 1972 is a lost cause; that will never happen.”

http://theinfowarriors.com/russian-bomber-roulette/

Taken from RT.COM

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^I personally think China is telling NK what to do, but they are hiding behind them, pretending publicly to be against them.
 
i wont be surprised if we find out that they are. Sa va mal se terminer cette histoire. La Chine a cependant plus a perdre que les états unis la dedans, leur économie ne doit pas s'effondrer.
 
^I personally think China is telling NK what to do, but they are hiding behind them, pretending publicly to be against them.

rofl this is absurd. Please stop it with your conspiracy theories. China has no interest in defending North Korea at all. WW2 is over a long time ago.
 
^I personally think China is telling NK what to do, but they are hiding behind them, pretending publicly to be against them.

Hummm non. La stratégie de la Chine est simple, et c'est la même depuis des siècles, un pays limitrophe est une zone tampon à fin de prévenir une invasion armée. Entretenir de bonnes relations avec ses voisins permettent justement d'assurer la protection de sa propre frontière. C'est pour cette raison que la Chine a toujours été présente pour empêcher une intervention armée en Corée du Nord, son territoire est adjacent. La Chine maintient le statut quo en Asie. Il y a juste les Américains qui veulent foutre la merde, fidèles à leurs habitudes.
 
T'es tellement aveuglé pour ton amour pour la Chine s'en est meme pas drole

Ce n'est pas de l'amour "pour la Chine" aveuglé. C'est de cette façon que la Chine fonctionne depuis des siècles. La Chine suit les enseignements du livre "L'art de la guerre" de Sun Tzu. La Chine a été la première culture qui a écrit un "How to" militaire. Ton amour inconditionnel pour les Américains ne m'étonne guère: faisons une invasion en Chine, un pays qui n'a pas impliqué dans un conflit armé depuis + de 50ans. Tandis que les Américains sont toujours en guerre. :)

Il faut que tu sors les yeux du cul. Ça a juste pas de bon sens. Tu "hate" la Chine et tu ne sais même pas pourquoi. :)
 
Ce n'est pas de l'amour "pour la Chine" aveuglé. C'est de cette façon que la Chine fonctionne depuis des siècles. La Chine suit les enseignements du livre "L'art de la guerre" de Sun Tzu. La Chine a été la première culture qui a écrit un "How to" militaire. Ton amour inconditionnel pour les Américains ne m'étonne guère: faisons une invasion en Chine, un pays qui n'a pas impliqué dans un conflit armé depuis + de 50ans. Tandis que les Américains sont toujours en guerre. :)

Il faut que tu sors les yeux du cul. Ça a juste pas de bon sens. Tu "hate" la Chine et tu ne sais même pas pourquoi. :)

Les Etats Unis n ont pas une place particuliere dans mon coeur, je comprends pas pourquoi tu dis ca. La chine, right, un cloud de charbon ambulant. La ou la vie ne vaut RIEN, la ou les gens s entassent dans des cages pour y vivre..pis je continuerais comme ca mais tu me dirais que c est de la propagande americaine...

Bla bla bla arrete de nous bullshiter estie quand tu me dis que tes pas aveuglé par la chine..tu serais pret a y vivre. Tas beau me dire que c est pas toute les regions qui sont comme ca, que c est pas aussi pollué, que t as des photos ca change rien, it is what it is.
 
Les Etats Unis n ont pas une place particuliere dans mon coeur, je comprends pas pourquoi tu dis ca. La chine, right, un cloud de charbon ambulant. La ou la vie ne vaut RIEN, la ou les gens s entassent dans des cages pour y vivre..pis je continuerais comme ca mais tu me dirais que c est de la propagande americaine...

Bla bla bla arrete de nous bullshiter estie quand tu me dis que tes pas aveuglé par la chine..tu serais pret a y vivre. Tas beau me dire que c est pas toute les regions qui sont comme ca, que c est pas aussi pollué, que t as des photos ca change rien, it is what it is.

C'est quoi le rapport avec ta rhétorique anti-chinoise, tu n'as jamais foutu les pieds en Asie de ta misérable vie. Je sais que tu n'y mettras jamais les pieds d'ailleurs. Effectivement, je serai prêt à vivre en Chine (Ghanzhou) mais je préfère Hong Kong. Mais je serai prêt à vivre au Japon aussi, mais pas à Tokyo. M’appelleras-tu un "Wapanese" ou un "japanese lover" maintenant?

Je partage ma vie conjugale avec une Cantonaise. Tu as des enfants, vrai? Ça va être beau plus tard quand mes enfants grandiront et auront à dealer avec l'enseignement anti-chinois erroné que tu auras naïvement transmis à tes enfants. Dans le fond, je suis pas surpris, c'est comme ça qu'on élève nos enfants en Occident: prêcher à coup de demies vérités sans jamais avoir sorti de sa foutue contrée. :)
 
lolll TheOutsider n'a aucune idee de quoi il parle. C'est comme un enfant qui a jamais manger un plat et dit que c'est pas bon avant de l'essayer. Combien de chinois tu connais dans la vrai vie qui t'ont qu'ils vivent dans des cages? Raconte moi ton experience personnelle et fais une correlation entre ce que tas experimenter/vue et le fait que 'la vie de vaut rien pour eux'.
 
^Everyone is stupid, We all wish we were as smart as you. Are you Chinese by any chance? I'm just wondering.
 
^Everyone is stupid, We all wish we were as smart as you. Are you Chinese by any chance? I'm just wondering.

yes i'm partly chinese and lived in China for a few years. therefore my arguments are founded and depict from real life experience instead of CNN and the internet
 
These statistics should be taken with a grain of salt, as quality is not a criteria, and calculation methods aren't the same (ie' North Korea counts coast guard ships in "naval vessel" category but the US doesn't) but still interesting to look over nonetheless.

http://www.globalfirepower.com/coun...country2=North-Korea&Submit=Compare+Countries

This is interesting. You have to look further though. For example, of the 10 US aircraft carriers, 7 are at their US home port for urgent repairs due to lack of maintenance and in some cases the repairs will take years. Of the 3 left, 1 is at it's home port in Japan and I'm not sure but I think it's on a 6-month repairs schedule. Another one is coming back to the US from the middle-east to reload. The last one is in the atlantic ocean and might be the only one available if war breaks tomorrow. US navy has had major budget cuts and the fleet numbers don't really reflect the situation going on.
 
Hie rsoir j'étais en appel conférence avec des sud coréens, justement ils ont parlé de la corée du nord et ils ont dit qu'il n'était pas le moindrement du monde stressés par leur menaces.

Comme ils disent, il semble que le reste du monde s'énerve pour nous mais nous autre on n'en a rien à foutre. Kim Jung Un veut juste tenir la tension.

... et ils sont à même pas 400km de la frontière.

ca montre à quel point c'est une joke ses affaires.
 
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