Do You Prefer Fast Or Fun?

Fast or Fun?

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For me it depends on the car. I don't mind the flappy paddle gearboxes and would feel more confident driving a car such as the new GT3 with the new PDK gearbox. For a small underpowered car such as the BR-Z/FR-S I am pretty certain I would pick a manual transmission. Now for my personnal use I have a forester and there was no way in hell I was getting it standard.
 
Why not do what BMW is doing with the new M5....offer it in both....as clearly the market for both is there, and the point should be to sell more cars.

This is a debate that will only continue, and really, it shouldn't be about which is technically "better"; on a strictly quantifiable scale, the modern automated transmission systems are simply faster, even if only by tenths of a second.

However, there is SO MUCH MORE to the enjoyment of automobiles than the simple need and love of speed. So much is in the aesthetics, the 'feel', the enjoyment and pleasure of the interaction, all those ethereal values, and in this regard the manual transmission is king; it's a far more analog input device, and the feel of being connected to the vehicle can't be beat.

Long live the manual transmission!
 
I think they should offer it in both!

The reason i think why they are starting to offer more and more high end/exotics/sport cars in auto only is cause its an older generation buying them but don't wanna shift thru gears!
 
Dubweiser said:
I'm having trouble forming an opinion on it.

On one hand the GT3 is supposed to be the ultimate machine from Porsche, transmission technology is a big showcase for technological advancements and also shave seconds off lap times and acceleration, effectively making the car look even more competitive on paper.

On the other hand, the GT3 is the kind of car I probably wouldn't drive daily and I would definetaly find it pleasurable having a manual on such a car ripping through country roads. I'm pretty confident that Porsche knows it's clients well, and most people who buy GT3's track them and probably would enjoy having the latest and greatest from Porsche, even if it means no manual.

The real answer, is that I wouldn't buy a GT3 so I don't really care. If I was in the market for a Porsche it would be a 4S or Turbo with the PDK transmission and I would drive them year round in Montreal.
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What you're saying makes sense about the GT3 being the flagship and pinnacle of Porsche technology. However for the last 13 years they've been selling it with a manual. I have nothing against the introduction of the PDK as an option, but the manual should remain.
I remember reading that the reason the Aventador is not offered with a manual transmission is because so few were being ordered that the R&D costs weren't worth it. Understandable. However Porsche still is offering manuals in other models.
There's also cars like the AMG's. I'm sure they have been quite a few people who have opted for an M3 instead of the C63 due to the transmission.

zokissima said:
Why not do what BMW is doing with the new M5....offer it in both....as clearly the market for both is there, and the point should be to sell more cars.
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I thought I read that the M5 was only offered as a manual here in North America?
 
HeadBanger said:
What you're saying makes sense about the GT3 being the flagship and pinnacle of Porsche technology. However for the last 13 years they've been selling it with a manual. I have nothing against the introduction of the PDK as an option, but the manual should remain.
I remember reading that the reason the Aventador is not offered with a manual transmission is because so few were being ordered that the R&D costs weren't worth it. Understandable. However Porsche still is offering manuals in other models.
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Indeed, Porsche definetaly has a gearbox, shift linkage and pedal assemblies already in production that could literally be bolted right onto the GT3 with barely any R&D budget unlike Lamborghini that doesn't have the same extensive range of models and tranny options as Porsche. Removing the manual as an option is a headscratcher. Was it a bad move? Only time will tell...
 
It doesn't matter how fast and agile an automatic tranny is. I've tried the dsg tranny and its good but it will never be as fun as a manual IMO.

I can understand if you live in MTL or you take a bridge/traffic everyday for work. But I don't. So manual always for me unless I go work in MTL someday.
 
Around the track and in traffic, dual clutch please. From a purist point of view faster is faster. Being able to drop two gears on the highway on a whim to smoke some douche who's on you is something to be enjoyed as well.

If I lived somewhere with nice twisty roads, significantly less traffic I'd probably say manual all the way. For cruising, manual wins.

After years of a manual beater, I simply don't want to put another ounce of shifting in when I'm not having fun. I want my econoboxes in automatic please.
 
Lt_Crazy said:
I think they should offer it in both!

The reason i think why they are starting to offer more and more high end/exotics/sport cars in auto only is cause its an older generation buying them but don't wanna shift thru gears!
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Automatic = More Expensive to So More Expensive means more money to the manifacturer .
 
TheGodZ said:
Automatic = More Expensive to So More Expensive means more money to the manifacturer .
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How did you come to that conclusion? Automatics also cost more to develop and produce. They may increase total revenues but not profits.

Most manufacturers also outsource R&D and production of their automatics almost completely. The transmission on my german Jetta is actually a japanese Aisin unit. The transmission in the 8 speed Dodge Ram is a German ZF unit. Car companies pay a fortune to sources these transmission, and although they sell them for more than manuals, the R&D and production costs on manual are so low in comparison, they aren't exactly laughing to the bank by selling you an auto...
 
TheGodZ said:
Arrete de vivre selon les regles , si tu sais pas conduire manuel c'est ok ...
Manuel = More Control . Period .
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c'est quoi ste discussion la ? genre mon pere est plus fort que le tien ? Selon moi, quand tu t'enligne vers des voiture pluss haut de gamme avec beaucoup de performance, c'est plus commode d'avoir une transmission a paddle et beacoup plus performant.
Moi dans mon m6 jamais les shift rentrerais aussi vite et aussi bien si j'aurais une manuelle, les downshift sont fou et jai toujour les deux main sur le volant. Selon moi y'a rien qui bat sa, j'aurais pas ete me chercher un m6 manuel la beurkk messemble sa fait pauvre pas capable de se payer la smg et pas profiter du plein potentiel... manuel c'est le fun mais rendu dans les temps moderne y'a quelque chose de mieux... Anyway le jour ou tu va avoir un bête avec une transmission comparable comme jouet, pas mal sur que tu va canceler ton idee de chauffer manuel. Et sa aucun rapport avec savoir chauffer ou pas on parle de transmission pas de ce qui se passe 6 pouce en arriere du steering...
 
Dubweiser said:
I'm having trouble forming an opinion on it.

On one hand the GT3 is supposed to be the ultimate machine from Porsche, transmission technology is a big showcase for technological advancements and also shave seconds off lap times and acceleration, effectively making the car look even more competitive on paper.

On the other hand, the GT3 is the kind of car I probably wouldn't drive daily and I would definetaly find it pleasurable having a manual on such a car ripping through country roads. I'm pretty confident that Porsche knows it's clients well, and most people who buy GT3's track them and probably would enjoy having the latest and greatest from Porsche, even if it means no manual.

The real answer, is that I wouldn't buy a GT3 so I don't really care. If I was in the market for a Porsche it would be a 4S or Turbo with the PDK transmission and I would drive them year round in Montreal.
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I'm also on the fence about this, in all honesty i've never driven a dual clutch gearbox and I'd like to try it. I would tend to think it's a lot better than a slushbox auto. I used to have an automatic mazda and god was that awful lol. So for daily driving and short blasts down the country roads I would still choose a manual.


There was an article in Racecar Engineering about the arrival of semi automatic gearboxes in F1 in the 1990's. Appart form the obvious fact that it was quicker:

No more engine over-revs, you could build an engine with say a 15000rpm rev limit and never worry about over revving (which was a commmon cause of engine failures)
It allowed the driver to concentrate on driving (2 hands on the steering wheel, all the time)
Put equal pressure on the brakes in long brake zones (no heel toe)
Build a narrower cockpit and nose section because no foot clutch (better for aerodynamics, lighter as well)

So yeah, as much as I like the involvement of manuals and hate seeing them go, the PDK is growing on me and has a number of undeniable advantages, i.e. racecar-quick transmission on the track, slushbox auto driveability.

(coming from a hardcore motorsport fan)
 
TheGodZ said:
Arrete de vivre selon les regles , si tu sais pas conduire manuel c'est ok ...
Manuel = More Control . Period .
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en quoi sa a rapport avec ce que j'ai dit ?

ps : j'ai jamais dit que Automatic = plus de control, mais faut que le monde arrête de penser que parce que c'est manuel, c'est plus le fun ou c'est pour les vrais conducteurs.
 
I always prefered manuel.....but then I bought my '12 SRT-8 Charger....automatic the only choice anyways, and its quite fun...paddle shifter or the slaptick make shifting still fun.
In traffic its relax and when you down shift and hit it, it just go.
Today's automatic are quite fun....better technology....they shift quick.....older car tranny were sluggish and borring I admit.
Its all depends....manuel are great for a 4cyl, it make you think you got fast lol
I think i'm getthing older too lol 3 of my 4 toys are automatic (Charger SRT-8, Mustang LX and PT GT)
 
Alexg3505 said:
Manual tranny for fun, control, feeling!
Automatic for traffic, minivan, my GF!
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Même dans le traffic je préfère une transmission manuelle, tu as pas toujours le pied sur le brake, par contre une avec première trop longue ( comme mon ranger ) ça vient fatiguant plus vite, pis c'est dure sur la clutch, vive les premières ultra courte...
 
Dubweiser said:
How did you come to that conclusion? Automatics also cost more to develop and produce. They may increase total revenues but not profits.

Most manufacturers also outsource R&D and production of their automatics almost completely. The transmission on my german Jetta is actually a japanese Aisin unit. The transmission in the 8 speed Dodge Ram is a German ZF unit. Car companies pay a fortune to sources these transmission, and although they sell them for more than manuals, the R&D and production costs on manual are so low in comparison, they aren't exactly laughing to the bank by selling you an auto...
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Les transmission manuelle sont plus souvent qu'autrement fait par des sous-traitant aussi, même dans des véhicules bien ordinaire, les transmission de trucks toyota manuelle sont pratiquement tous des aisin, les jeep il y a eu peugeot, aisin, new venture et maintenant mercedes, GM c'est pratiquement tous des getrag. c'est évident qu'ils coûtent moins chère à produire mais ça reste que c'est souvent pas la compagnie même qui les fabriques.
 
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