BMW West Island DOESN'T WANT YOUR BUSINESS! (Another bad review)

As promised, here is the first email they sent back to me this morning. This is from the customer satisfaction agent:

Phil,
I am transferring your request for an appointment to my colleague Mr. Lavigne who will call you in the coming hour or so. I will also get back to you with a more explicit answer later in the day or to the worst tomorrow morning. I want to know more before writing back. Call unanswered yes it is true and I will get back on that subject but Emails *Contact us* is much more surprising and difficult to explain but still I will see what cause that? Speak to you soon.
Regards,
Normand
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I chuckled at that email. I didn't reply to it, how could you? There is nothing to reply to. After a few hours, I get this:

Phil,
I cannot find a file under your name or email address to get access to your phone number and give you a call for an appointment. Would you please help us out by giving some info to get access to the proper vehicle and name of owner (private or business).
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Right after I got that email, I had to reply with this. I admit, it is a bit assholish, but frankly, what kind of clown thinks that he's still getting my money after this? Here it is:

Mr.Masson,

Thank for for the reply. I'm glad to see that my email finally got someone's attention.

I already had my alignment done at one of your competitors dealerships. They answered their phones and have me an immediate appointment for my alignment. I wasn't going to wait any longer for a response.

You asked for my phone number because it wasn't written in my file and I did not include it in my previous email. I left my callback number 3 times last week on 2 different voicemails and once with the receptionist, as indicated in my initial email. That shows me that BMW West Island is very disorganized and doesn't take customer service inquiries seriously.

Following last week's lack of service from your dealership, I will no longer be giving any of my servicing business to you. Instead, my car and money, will visit your competitors establishment who offered me irreproachable service when dealing with my vehicle's alignment.

This incident has been documented and shared with fellow BMW owners that are part of my local BMW enthusiasts club. Over 700 people have read my complaint and followed this story since I shared it last week. Many other members have shared their service stories when dealing with BMW West Island, and not many of them have been positive.

How will new BMW owners choose a dealer? Probably personal experience, but with today's available information over the Internet, they will come across this review, and the reviews shared by others.

Phil
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And......Discuss!
 
Random question, but is BMW Laval ok with aligning lowered cars? if not I'd probably just deal with VAG as I know they deal a lot with race cars. Isn't Merson more just about tires?

Merson's got guys who are quite knowledgable. The guys from FCP even bring their cars to Merson for alignment.

Reyem at Merson has been aligning all the "racekors" who are all hella-flush/stancec/bagged. He understands how to align it properly, despite the degree of camber. He doesn't just follow the alignment machine until it "green-lights" everything.
 
good for you man. Pretty much told them what we were all thinking. *tu*

Yep. Always got the VIP treatment over at BMW Laval, sales or service. Family-run business with a "Customer first" attitude, even if your car was bought elsewhere. These guys are good.

OP: You should send this to Corporate. We BMW owners do not deserve such appalling customer service - West Island is giving BMW a bad name, just like Jalbert did back in the day (although it seems the Quebec City dealership was worse than the West Island branch).
 
Alright, here is some more reading material for you.
This email is from Mr.Masson, the customer satisfaction rep:

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Phil,
I am very sorry to read what I read. In my email of this morning I did tell you that phone calls not returned was in fact a possibility and that I would give you some explanations later but that the urgent factor was to give you an appointment. Now we do not have any trace of two emails with your email address that is much more questionable. Then our appointment responsible comes and tell me he has no way to get access to any BMW under your name or email address so no data to get in touch with you. I email back to you immediately to make a follow –up and have more precisions on your part to be able to give you the requested appointment. Now in this reply you sent at 3Pm this afternoon I find out a couple of very annoying information that are in no way matching what you are saying: I did AS REQUESTED answered back to your first email before Tuesday the 30th. We did all we could and spent time making sure you would get one and your answer to my request is: The work is done by one of your competitor and the world will know how bad your business is.

Why request an appointment if you already had book one somewhere else and you knew the work would be done even before my reply of today? Why can’t we fine any trace of a customer corresponding to your name or email address? Why post the bad info about us to the 700 people of your club when you said you would do so if we did not reply? Why would you not give us the needed info to reach you in your email? Did you wanted us to spend a lot of time trying to reach you? When something is that bad and urgent don’t you think a serious customer would not have given us the info to get the service ASAP? The many other customers of your club who have shared their bad experience with us are they as none existing in our data base as you are? Do they know that what you say and what you do can be two different things? What do you really want by badmouthing us?

Mr. D’Amour I have to admit I have a very very hard time to believe you are *real* in the sense of being an honest customer who in fact did not get the proper service. Up to now everything is pointing out in another direction and practice that is very sad to observe. The lines at the bottom are copy paste from your two emails. We are far from being perfect and we know it. For all dealerships of any brand April and November are very difficult months to keep up with the demand. I can guarantee that we are doing everything we can to serve our customers well and even then it is not enough. Some people must be happy with our service department considering that after close to 4 months in 2013 our rank for Customer Satisfaction Index provided by BMW Canada is 4th in the country and only one dealership in East Canada is ahead of us Nationally. I have never used that statistic with an unsatisfied customer because a dissatisfied customer does not want to know we are doing well. For us one dissatisfied customer is one too many and we have to give him the needed attention to solve the issue. Here we say: We will do our very best but will apologise when we do not meet a customer’s expectations. Nobody runs a business to get into arguments with their customers but yes things do happen unfortunately.

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My reply to that was the following (a short message then a modified version of his email with my comments written in RED.

Mr.Masson,
The email that got your attention was sent on Friday, April 26th. The phone calls and service appointment emails were sent on the April 22nd.
You replied to the direct email I sent to the manager and CC'ed you on. You replied on April 29th, a full week after the calls weren't answered and emails ignored. In that case, OF COURSE I'm going to have my servicing done elsewhere, who waits a week to get an answer for an appointment? No one, that's a guarantee. You asked for my contact information on the 29th, by then my servicing needs had been already taken care of.

Please see the annotated notes below in red on your previous email. Please read it carefully, as you have misread my emails on 2 occasions as noted below.

Here is my comments on your modified email. My comments can be found written in red:
I am very sorry to read what I read. In my email of this morning I did tell you that phone calls not returned was in fact a possibility and that I would give you some explanations later but that the urgent factor was to give you an appointment. Now we do not have any trace of two emails with your email address that is much more questionable. Then our appointment responsible comes and tell me he has no way to get access to any BMW under your name or email address so no data to get in touch with you**BMW service dossier is under my girlfriend's name. That dossier will remain inactive from now on**. I email back to you immediately to make a follow –up and have more precisions on your part to be able to give you the requested appointment. Now in this reply you sent at 3Pm this afternoon I find out a couple of very annoying information that are in no way matching what you are saying: I did AS REQUESTED answered back to your first email before Tuesday the 30th. **You did reply to my email that was sent to your dealerships manager, hence why this information has not been sent to BMW Canada as of yet. As for sharing the information with co BMW enthusiasts, I have been from the start. They deserve to know what kind of service is awaiting them. Clearly, I'm not the only one who has had issues, and that is coming to light. **We did all we could and spent time making sure you would get one and your answer to my request is: The work is done by one of your competitor and the world will know how bad your business is.**Once again, you did not read properly. At no point in ANY of my emails, have I said "the world will know how bad your business is". I'm sharing an experience with your company and friends, and if that experience reflects, or paints a picture of, a business with less acceptable service, then so be it. It is the truth, and hopefully from this experience, BMW West Island will change the way they handle service inquiries in the future**.

Why request an appointment if you already had book one somewhere else and you knew the work would be done even before my reply of today? ** I requested a service appointment 8 days ago and was replied to YESTERDAY. In those 8 days, I had time to book an appointment and have the service performed elsewhere. Frankly, I made the appointment with your competitor, the day after I was not replied (April 23rd).**Why can’t we fine any trace of a customer corresponding to your name or email address? **The service dossier is under my girlfriend's name and has been since we bought the car. She is usually the one with the availability to drop the car off** Why post the bad info about us to the 700 people of your club when you said you would do so if we did not reply?** Once again, please read my email carefully, you're misunderstood. I clearly wrote that the information would NOT be shared with BMW Canada should your reply arrive before the 30th. The BMW enthusiasts club has been following the story since April 22nd, the day no one answered or returned 3 phone calls.**Why would you not give us the needed info to reach you in your email?** I will not provide any contact information further than my email for I will not be seeking servicing with your company as of April 22nd, once again, the day my calls and emails weren't answered.** Did you wanted us to spend a lot of time trying to reach you?** I don't need to be contacted further. This could have come to an end with your first email being structured differently. Unfortunately, that's not the case.** When something is that bad and urgent don’t you think a serious customer would not have given us the info to get the service ASAP?** You're right Mr.Masson, a customer who wishes to continue dealing with your company would provide the necessary contact information immediately to resolve the situation. I will NOT be dealing with BMW West Island for anything in the future.**The many other customers of your club who have shared their bad experience with us are they as none existing in our data base as you are?**I love your snarky question. Judging by their replies and posts, I'm guessing they have all been inactive since their individual incidents.** Do they know that what you say and what you do can be two different things?**I cannot speak for others, I can speak for myself when I say that nothing but the truth has been posted, your emails have been copied word for word with a copy/paste format to insure accuracy and the rest is my opinions and feelings. Will I do what I say and avoid your business from here on out? Absolutely, even if it's out of my way to do so.** What do you really want by badmouthing us? ** Badmouthing? I'm sorry but no. It's relaying information, Badmouthing would be based on the desire to do damage to your dealership's reputation. I, on the other hand, am relaying the truth about my experience, direct copies of your emails and direct copies of mine as well. That, sir, isn't considered badmouthing, it's considered relaying information for others to base their opinions on.**

Mr. D’Amour I have to admit I have a very very hard time to believe you are *real* in the sense of being an honest customer who in fact did not get the proper service. Up to now everything is pointing out in another direction and practice that is very sad to observe. The lines at the bottom are copy paste from your two emails. We are far from being perfect and we know it. For all dealerships of any brand April and November are very difficult months to keep up with the demand. I can guarantee that we are doing everything we can to serve our customers well and even then it is not enough. Some people must be happy with our service department considering that after close to 4 months in 2013 our rank for Customer Satisfaction Index provided by BMW Canada is 4th in the country and only one dealership in East Canada is ahead of us Nationally. I have never used that statistic with an unsatisfied customer because a dissatisfied customer does not want to know we are doing well. For us one dissatisfied customer is one too many and we have to give him the needed attention to solve the issue. Here we say: We will do our very best but will apologise when we do not meet a customer’s expectations. Nobody runs a business to get into arguments with their customers but yes things do happen unfortunately. **Mr.Masson, I was a customer who has service 3 BMW's there since it's opening. Will I do so in the future? For the 10th time, absolutely not. A real customer? I'm as real of a customer as you are a customer satisfaction rep. If the apology would have been issued in the first email you sent, this could have been resolved and everyone moves on. Instead, you made it clear that booking appointments is more important than accepting your coworkers provided NO service, and issuing an apology for it. Regardless, the segregated parts of my email you copied and pasted were misread by you. Please read them again and this time carefully. There are no contradictions, just simply misunderstood by you. I have held up my end of the deal and not reported this incident to BMW Canada, and will continue to do so. Should I get another email from you accusing me of not being "a real customer" (which is a joke in itself), the incident and all related emails will be forwarded with pleasure. Be very careful who you call "real customers", because regardless of how much or little we purchase from BMW West Island, our hard earned money pays your salary. I can safely say that you're people skills are pretty poor for a Customer Satisfaction rep who directly insults his dealership's customers. How far this goes is your call Mr.Masson. I simply copy and paste your replies on the discussion forums as well as include my emails. If you would like to continue exchanging emails and judging my level of "reality" and viability to your dealership, no problem. But know this, BMW Canada will get word of this, possibly a call to their customer service center at 1-866-217-1269. Your choice.
 
Wow just wow . A place de juste dire dsl de ca pis doffrir quelque chose pour regler le probleme y fait juste mettre de leau sur le feux !
 
There are 2 more emails that I haven't posted yet. As soon as I'm able to get to my computer a bit later, I'll copy them over.

As for putting this thread in the General section, I think it will attract the wrong people to comment on this. The people who need to know are the BMW enthusiasts, not joe blow with a Suzuki Swift with an opinion.
 
lol.... Au lieu d'être bref, de s'excuser et de trouver un moyen d'arrangement pour te faire revenir il envoi un roman pour se justifier et te blamer! Probablement la pire chose à faire en service à la clientele!
 
Here's something I want to add to my earlier post.

I had them fix a flat tire I had just before storing my car for the winter and now that I removed my car from storage I see that my practically brand new tire is leaking from where they plugged it and the tire is deformed from sitting flat in storage (5months)

Too lazy to patch my tire instead of plugging it??? And also to charge me 60 bucks because there were 2 holes apparently when in fact there was only one ??? Too lazy to check that it was in fact fixed and not still leaking??

This is all on top of everything else I mentioned in this thread on earlier posts.


The guy that sold my brother his car was cool and tried his best but the mechanics and service guys are just terrible.
He apologized countless times so he isn't to blame in any of this so I do recommend buying a car from him ( Dustin )

Just do not take your car in for service there no matter how fucked or how close to the dealership u happen to be.
Tow your car to laval if u have to.

BMW west island is a fkn disgrace.


Seems like I'm not the only one who thinks so if u check this thread and Internet.
 
I was skeptic about the dealership from the beginning. I had quite a few bad experiences from BMW Jalbert back in the day which completely disgusted me and so I moved onto BMW Laval. Ever since they opened the West Island location, I still have been hesitant. I live MUCH closer to them, but the cases where I have decided to pass by there have done little to reassure me. I literally waited 10 minutes at the parts counter waiting for a guy who was glued to his computer without even acknowledging that I was standing there waiting.

Another case where I strolled by some of the cars on showcase I decided to check them out. Needless to say, I was approached by a less than knowledgeable salesrep.

Ah BMW West Island, I guess we're all just made up clients.

Oh, and you pretty much did get it right. We are non-existing in their database because we choose to be inactive.
 
Juste hypothétiquement. Est-il possible que BMW West Island n'ai en fait jamais été contacté et que tout ce thread soit une manipulation pour les discréditer? Je sais que même si c'est peu probable, c'est quand même un scénario possible... On connait la "force" d'internet... ;-) Ça me rappelle un thread il y a prêt de dix ans, dans lequel quelqu'un se plaignait qu'un certain garage indépendent BMW où il avait été faire entretenir sa voiture lui avait volé des pièces. Alors qu'en fait, le garage concerné n'avait jamais eu ce personnage comme client. Étrangement, le cousin du "client" opérait un garage compétiteur, spécialisé dans la même marque. ;-) J'ai appris qu'il faut toujours faire attention avec ce qu'on lit sur internet.
 
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Lee, crois moi que je ne gaspierais pas mon temps a niaiser sur le forum à "trash talk" une entreprise pour rien. Comme vous pouvez facilement lire dans les postes par les autres, je ne suis pas le seul a avoir des gros problèmes avec BMW West Island. J'ai toujours pas poster les 2 autres courriels reçu de MR.Masson, mais je vais essayer de le faire en arrivant chez nous ce soir.
J'ai créer ce thread pour aider et aviser les autres membres et non pour gaspiller mon temps et le temps de lecture des autres.
Faute être paranoïaque pour penser que tous les membres font qu'inventer des histoires de même.

La nous sommes rendus hors sujet, et ce n'est pas le but de ce thread. Je partage une expérience inacceptable chez un concessionnaire avec lequel nous avons tous fait affaire.
 
As promised, here are the 2 other emails I received, but did not reply to, from Mr.Masson.

Mr. D’Amour,

I appreciate the fact that you took the time to answer back so I could better understand what went wrong and why? In fact your email where I was CC’ed was dated Friday the 26th. Just for good measure to add to your frustration with us everything went wrong. Due to an old man privilege I only work 4 days a week and Friday is off for me. So the first time I was informed of the situation was that first email (26th) that I did open yesterday (Monday) adding another delay to our response and I apologise for it but not much I could have done before being informed. Then in your message you say *no later than the 30th* so it became urgent for me to give you an appointment and then take care of your remarks later in the day. Knowing all I know now yes I totally agree that you did not want to lose more time and had it done somewhere else.

The phone calls not returned is definitely a very bad story and you are also very right about that. I wish I could tell you that you are the only customer to whom it happen but I would be lying. April and November are very very busy months (tires) where it is difficult to cope with the demand. In business we do not complain about being very busy but when it gets to the point where it looks like *Boxing Day* it turns around against you just like it did for you. I know in my job what to expect in those times but there is no easy solution to it. You cannot hire staff for One month every six months. Our problems are not yours of course and we cannot use that explanation as an excuse. You did not get the service you where asking for: PERIOD. It should not happen, no discussion about it. Of course it is not something we want or do not care about but we have not found the solution yet. I know that it is pretty much the same everywhere in the business and we would love to take some of that business and transfer it in January and February but I can dream all I want it is not going to change.

Now the part where my colleague Jean Marc (appointment responsible) and me are very honestly puzzle is your two request by email. We received many demands that way and usually it is very good because it does not cause the frustration of the phone system and your sure to get an answer (well normally). We cannot find any trace of those two emails so it is very frustrating because we do not Know how it can happen and we had another case a month or so ago with another customer. It was not such rush then so we did a little experience with him by telematic and email. We did receive both at that point but still cannot understand why the two first did not come in. I have full trust in the work and honesty of Jean Marc so the explanation is neither the customers or the staff but it happen again with you and maybe with others that never took the time to let us know too frustrated at us to do so.

All of that said Mr. D’Amour I appreciate the time you took to answer back so we can at least apologise, give you some explanations to at least demonstrate that the situation was not that we did not want your business and that we are so full of ourselves that we do not care. If we can be of any help in the future do not hesitate to contact me directly so I can make sure you get the service immediately. Have a good day and to the possible pleasure to meet you one day in other circumstances than this one.

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Email #2:

Mr. D’Amour,
I had not read your response completely before replying. I have now but I still mean what I said in the last email. I can understand that you where very unhappy with my reply but get in my shoes for a minute. Knowing what I knew by then I that it was a hoax. No emails received for an appointment, Customer cannot be found in the data base, Customer will not give us a phone number to fix the appointment ???? Don’t you think it was questioning looking at it from our point of view? That is why I allowed myself to question your EXISTENCE as a real customer. Anyway not relevant anymore and to be honest I am not happy about what you went through but to know that it was real is reassuring in the sense that it would have been sad if in fact it had been only *badmouthing* and it is why I did use the word. For the rest I leave it in your hands but I then wanted to make sure to defend my employer of all that discredit we were getting. There is absolutely no hard feeling on this side and I will let you the judge of your own attitude toward all of that.
Normand
 
I haven't had the time to reply to his last 2 emails to me. Planning on doing so later today or Monday.
What do you guys think of the change in tone all of a sudden?
 
I haven't had the time to reply to his last 2 emails to me. Planning on doing so later today or Monday.
What do you guys think of the change in tone all of a sudden?

better, but still had no right to make accusations from the start assuming it a hoax. He's entitled to think it, not to say it. "In Business" as he so elegantly put it, as if we are strangers to the day in and out of it, you don't have the right to go on the offensive towards your client. Period. Think it, or agree to disagree.

In regards to your response. Just drop it. He apologized, already looked the fool, you don't need anymore recourse. Although his new tone is much more welcoming to deal with, his initial response already put a bad taste in my mouth.
 
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