Exciting new VW engine development (new rumoured VR6 ???)

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This would make for one mean GTI or future Golf R.

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Cutaway shots of the Volkswagen Golf GTI Design Vision GTI concept have revealed that it appears to use a new VR6 engine, as opposed to the previously rumoured V6.

Volkswagen has not confirmed whether the engine is indeed a VR6 but, judging by the configuration of the intake and exhaust systems, it seems likely to be the case.

The new six-cylinder engine, which has a single cylinder head and a claimed 15-degree angle between its rows of cylinders, is said to displace 3.0 litres. Thanks to direct fuel injection and twin turbochargers, its output is stated to be a substantial 496bhp and 413lb ft.

It's reputedly set to see service in future models, which may include high-performance versions of the Volkswagen CC and the recently unveiled CrossBlue coupé — although the engine will most likely be detuned for economy, emissions and drivability reasons.

A senior Porsche engineer confirmed that the new Volkswagen engine was a narrow-angle VR6, but that it wasn't in any way related to new engines being developed for the Porsche Macan.

It's not yet known whether the new unit is a development of an existing VR6 or an all-new engine, or if it will be available in UK models, but it is thought that its smaller capacity - compared to recent VR6 units - is a result of a Chinese-market specific tax break.

Volkswagen has a long history of popular VR6 engines; the first were developed in the late 1980s and introduced in 1991 in the Corrado and Passat. Later, the engine made its way into the Golf.

The new Golf Design Vision concept, which is equipped with a transversely mounted 496bhp version of the new VR6, is capable of accelerating from 0-62mph in a supercar-rivalling 3.9sec. Its top speed is 190mph.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/scoop/vws-new-496bhp-30-litre-vr6-engine
 
déja un p-flow en plus, lol.


sérieusement, j'aimerai bien revoir(réentendre le VR..!!)

x2 les VR6, surtout les 12V, sont des moteurs avec une des plus belles sonorités ever a mon avis... Par contre bcp du son risque d'etre perdu a cause des turbines...
 
Faut bien rêver mais je sais pas pourquoi ils refont pas le VR6 dans les GTi !

Être différent ca leurs tente plus ?? Rendu à mon 3e VR et j'ai pas fini!
 
can someone aware me as to what the big deal with VR6s is?

i'm clueless but interested as a recent former owner of one.
 
can someone aware me as to what the big deal with VR6s is?

i'm clueless but interested as a recent former owner of one.

Two mains things.

1- the sound
2- it's a very smooth running engine because it has the same crank design as an inline six.
 
Awesome sound, reliable engin, timing chain, boost friendly, unique configuration ( 15% angle on one head), only weight 80-100lbs more then the 1.8L 8V and aftermarket world is huge ..

Oh and did I say awesome sound ????
 
aaaaannnnddd we are back in the world of understeering again......

Yes if in a FWD. Imagine (for a split second) a Golf R with rear biased AWD (say 30:70 or 40:60 split), then we are talking. However, the likelyhood of that is zero because it would kill the Audi A3...
 
I had one.. loved it, but in a mk2 or mk3, it was not that great to drive because of the weight.
The 1.8T was a alot better.
In a mk4 or heavier car, with better suited suspension ,maybe this new golf would be nice to drive.
 
Yes if in a FWD. Imagine (for a split second) a Golf R with rear biased AWD (say 30:70 or 40:60 split), then we are talking. However, the likelyhood of that is zero because it would kill the Audi A3...

Even AWD, the weight in the front is crazy, it's still going to understeer... You would have to stiffen the RSB for it to be a little tail happy, and stiffen the car up..

But seriously.. I still don't understand why we are not seeing small displacement diesel engines with AWD!!!!!

Instead of the crazy big engines....Europe and Asia has all the fun!
 
Even AWD, the weight in the front is crazy, it's still going to understeer... You would have to stiffen the RSB for it to be a little tail happy, and stiffen the car up..

But seriously.. I still don't understand why we are not seeing small displacement diesel engines with AWD!!!!!

Instead of the crazy big engines....Europe and Asia has all the fun!

On est en 2013 mon ami, penses tu serieusement que ce probleme ne serait pas revu et corrigé? Je pense qu ils auraient revu le poids et l emplacement(probablement reculé un peu derriere les roues avant).

Crazy big engines.. c est un 3 litres. Eh oui c'est l amerique du nord ici.
 
Donc ils recommencent le VR6 à zéro et le foutent encore en porte-à-faux à l'avant? Way to go VW.

Et oui, le son d'un VR qui respire est dur à battre.
 
Even AWD, the weight in the front is crazy, it's still going to understeer... You would have to stiffen the RSB for it to be a little tail happy, and stiffen the car up..

But seriously.. I still don't understand why we are not seeing small displacement diesel engines with AWD!!!!!

Instead of the crazy big engines....Europe and Asia has all the fun!

If I remember correctly the VR6 wasn't much heavier than the 1.8T, only about 60lbs difference, problem with the VR6 was the placement. It was a taller motor and inclined forward, so weight distribution and center of gravity wasn't as optimal as the 4cyl. The tdi's for example weighed about as much as a VR6 but handled better, simply because of placement and size.

In the bigger, heavier generations of Golf, the difference between a 4cyl and vr6 will be far less noticeable than in an Mk2 or Mk3.
 
Even AWD, the weight in the front is crazy, it's still going to understeer... You would have to stiffen the RSB for it to be a little tail happy, and stiffen the car up..

But seriously.. I still don't understand why we are not seeing small displacement diesel engines with AWD!!!!!

Instead of the crazy big engines....Europe and Asia has all the fun!

Tu as un paquet de moyen de compenser. Si BMW arrive à avoir une distribution 50/50 je vois pas pourquoi VW en serait incapable. La batterie sera dans le coffre arrière. On parle d'un 3.0l c'est une petite cylindrée.
 
J'me rappel aussi que pas mal des histoires de problèmes de comportement routier des MK2 VR6 était dû à des swap mal fait au tout début. Le monde remplaçaient les freins à tambour arrières par les disques de mk3 sans changer la valve de répartitions ce qui avait tendance à faire barrer les roues arrières et faire passer le cul en avant.

J'ai tellement vue de MK2 VR bien montées être des vrais bêtes de circuit. Avec un différenciel autobloquant, 1 roue dans les airs pis le VR qui crie...

Memory lane here I come
 
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