Police officers kick door down and use tasers (California)

Vw_guy87 said:
Je me retracte. La video de CBS semble expliquer ce que nous savions pas.
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Tu te rétractes de quoi ? T'a pas posté dans ce thread ?

Anyway, le vidéo explique ce que je disais... Si les policiers devaient croire tout le monde à qui ils parlent au travers d'une porte, y'a des histoires qui finiraient mal en maudit...
 
@cUr@-TL said:
OK, but how are you suposed to make sure everybody's safe if you don't come in ?

It's easy for a guy beating on his wife to tell her she better tell the cops everything alright or she'll get another beating. It happened in the past and will happen again...

Officers have to come in to make sure no one (a suspect) is hiding somewhere in the house until they leave. Going in also allows the officers to take a look at the environnement.. If they see signs of fighting, it can be a clue that there was indeed domestic violence prior to their arrival on the scene.
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wow. yeah, so we'd better detain them in holding for 30 days - he could be 'terrorizing' her after all. they need to be thoroughly questioned! after all cops gotta make sure everyones safe (even though theres u.s supreme court stating they;re actually under no obligation). think i'll write my mp & tell them to hurry on that legislation for us all to have testtube cloned cops surgically attached to our backs to keep us 'safe'. and if that takes to long we can all move to north korea for our safety.

little more seriously; one must hope that they never have any issue with a neighbor or any1 that dislikes them. as 1 phone call will seemingly errode all our rights & have us on our knees at gunpoint, hands behind our heads as our cells, I mean homes are Tossed/ searched.

only mistake this guy made, if at all, was not leaving his house with his wife & kid(S) & while standing outside stating everyone is safe & nothing is wrong, As a 911 call isn't a Search warrant, even in canada - call a lawyer if you think i'm lying. mind you 8 out of 10 'I can do no wrongs' will probably enter your cell/home. and some will say 'if you have nothing to hide' I say it has nothing to do with hiding things, more its hard to get the smell out after :p
 
illuminance said:
wow. yeah, so we'd better detain them in holding for 30 days - he could be 'terrorizing' her after all. they need to be thoroughly questioned! after all cops gotta make sure everyones safe (even though theres u.s supreme court stating they;re actually under no obligation). think i'll write my mp & tell them to hurry on that legislation for us all to have testtube cloned cops surgically attached to our backs to keep us 'safe'. and if that takes to long we can all move to north korea for our safety.

little more seriously; one must hope that they never have any issue with a neighbor or any1 that dislikes them. as 1 phone call will seemingly errode all our rights & have us on our knees at gunpoint, hands behind our heads as our cells, I mean homes are Tossed/ searched.

only mistake this guy made, if at all, was not leaving his house with his wife & kid(S) & while standing outside stating everyone is safe & nothing is wrong, As a 911 call isn't a Search warrant, even in canada - call a lawyer if you think i'm lying. mind you 8 out of 10 'I can do no wrongs' will probably enter your cell/home. and some will say 'if you have nothing to hide' I say it has nothing to do with hiding things, more its hard to get the smell out after :p
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This will not happen if you don't try to play smartass like that guy in the video and just open the frickin' door! The police is here to make sure your family is alright, not to steal your goddamn jewelery!
 
@cUr@-TL said:
This will not happen if you don't try to play smartass like that guy in the video and just open the frickin' door! The police is here to make sure your family is alright, not to steal your goddamn jewelery!
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And then they'll start making sure your family is allright for everything, right ? :bigup:
 
@cUr@-TL said:
I can think of dozen of examples of situations when you do not need a warrant to break in and, most importantly, don't have time to wait for a warrant...


Let me provide you with a very simple example:

If you were tied up in your basement while someone is in your home stealing your stuff or abusing your family and someone called the cops, you would be ohhhh fuckin' happy they didnt wait for a warrant to break in.
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That's a dumb argument: The video shows the homeowner clearly REFUSE access to the police. If you're tied up in your basement and the police come knocking...

It's a simple matter of suing those police officers for the several criminal offenses they made. Clear and simple.
 
@cUr@-TL said:
This will not happen if you don't try to play smartass like that guy in the video and just open the frickin' door! The police is here to make sure your family is alright, not to steal your goddamn jewelery!
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What happens when we forgo our rights? We loose them. Cops do not have the right to show up at your door and demand to come in without a warrant. Not every cop is a good guy.
 
The reason behind a court warrant is to prevent cases where police officers would take a personal (or other kind) vendetta against someone by invading their home or other private property?

No.

http://www.ehow.com/facts_6123799_history-search-warrant.html

The Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution defines the right of people not to be unreasonably searched or seized and that no warrants can be issued except by probable cause. This summation of the Fourth Amendment and the historical basis of the search warrant law began during the Colonial era.
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British Warrants
Warrant laws have an early history which started in Britain. Even though British citizens had the right to defend their homes, British agents had been given authority to enter and arrest or execute an individual within a home to enforce the King’s orders. Once England had established colonies in America search and seizure laws were enacted because of the smuggling of prohibited goods.

Colonial Background
Lifelong writs (authoritative court documents) were given to English agents within the colonies to search property for illegal contraband. These writs were not welcomed within the colonial communities and by 1760 opposition grew against these documents. James Otis, a Plymouth lawyer, influenced the Colonists to reject these writs because they infringed upon the liberties of the people.

Words of Influence
John Adams, a famous early American revolutionary, used James Otis’s influence to claim that the unjust writs were a cause for independence from England. Many did not agree with his ideas at first but this situation changed when more legal issues were being raised by the colonist and their rights. Before long the American colonies were fighting a war of independence from British rule.

Bill of Rights
After the Revolutionary War, America was an independent country in need of a government. The Constitution was established by Framers and some of them wanted to outline the rights of the people. Others did not think it was necessary. Recent memories of war and the causes which led to it influenced the American people to form a Bill of Rights.

Fourth Amendment
The Fourth Amendment is a natural liberty contained within the Bill of Rights. This particular right was a part of the Constitution which guaranteed the early Americans that agents no longer would be able to unjustly search their homes without the proper authority (warrant) and proper cause. Adopted into the Constitution in 1791, the Bill of Rights became the law of the land.
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lord_galathon said:
That's a dumb argument: The video shows the homeowner clearly REFUSE access to the police. If you're tied up in your basement and the police come knocking...

It's a simple matter of suing those police officers for the several criminal offenses they made. Clear and simple.
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Someone can be hiding behind a wall with a gun, threatening you or your family... I know it's not a common situation, but it does happen... And that's why the police has to come in and make sure everything is good and then they'll leave, simple as that!

od_man99 said:
What happens when we forgo our rights? We loose them. Cops do not have the right to show up at your door and demand to come in without a warrant. Not every cop is a good guy.
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In certain situations, they do. And it's a good thing.

What would you want them to do in a situation like the example I gave in post #16 of this thread ? Tell me, according to you, what they should do...
 
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