NSA Spying On Canadians, CSEC Capable Of Similar Surveillance

split said:
Is this an Sandrobite & odd_man thread?

☐ Guns
☐ Quebec
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☑ Conpiracy
☑ Tinfoil hat

Looks like it is, see you guys in the next one.
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I lold when I realized the only way to "get back at me" was to copy/paste my original content.

upgraded the lols to 5/10
 
It's crazy how you label it as conspiracy when fucking CBC, CNN, BBC are talking about it. We've been telling your fuckheads for what? 5 years now and it comes out, you call us conspiracy theorists. WTF.
 
od_man99 said:
It's crazy how you label it as conspiracy when fucking CBC, CNN, BBC are talking about it. We've been telling your fuckheads for what? 5 years now and it comes out, you call us conspiracy theorists. WTF.
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u can't teach the ignorant.
 
Sandro_Bit said:
7:08 is your answer

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http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/nsa-whistleblower-risks-stiff-sentence-if-u-s-can-extradite-him-1.1318726


WASHINGTON -- The man who exposed two sweeping U.S. surveillance programs and touched off a national debate on privacy versus security, has revealed his own identity. He risks decades in jail for the disclosures to reporters -- if the U.S. can extradite him from Hong Kong where he has taken refuge.
Edward Snowden, 29, who says he worked as a contractor at the National Security Agency and the CIA, allowed The Guardian and The Washington Post newspapers to reveal his identity Sunday.
Both papers have published a series of top-secret documents outlining two NSA surveillance programs. One gathers hundreds of millions of U.S. phone records while searching for possible links to known terrorist targets abroad, and the second allows the government to tap into nine U.S. Internet companies to gather all Internet usage to detect suspicious behaviour that begins overseas.
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Edward Snowden, who worked as a contract employee at the National Security Agency, speaks to The Guardian from Hong Kong on Sunday, June 9, 2013. (The Guardian)
The revelations have reopened the post-Sept. 11, 2001, debate about individual privacy concerns versus heightened measures to protect the U.S. against terrorist attacks. The NSA has asked the Justice Department to conduct a criminal investigation into the leaks. Government lawyers are now "in the initial stages of an investigation into the unauthorized disclosure of classified information by an individual with authorized access," said Nanda Chitre, Justice Department spokeswoman.
President Barack Obama said the programs are authorized by Congress and subject to strict supervision of a secret court, and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper says they do not target U.S. citizens.
But Snowden claims the programs are open to abuse.
"Any analyst at any time can target anyone. Any selector. Anywhere," Snowden said in a video on the Guardian's website. "I, sitting at my desk, had the authority to wiretap anyone, from you or your accountant to a federal judge to even the president if I had a personal email."
Some lawmakers have expressed similar concerns about the wide reach of the surveillance.
"I expect the government to protect my privacy. It feels like that isn't what's been happening," said Sen. Mark Udall, a Democrat and a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee. "Again, there's a line, but to me, the scale of it and the fact the law was being secretly interpreted has long concerned me," he said Sunday on CNN, adding that at the same time, he abhors leaks.
Senate intelligence committee chairman, Democrat Dianne Feinstein, contends the surveillance does not infringe on U.S. citizens' privacy, and that it helped disrupt a 2009 plot to bomb New York City's subways and played a role in the case against an American who scouted targets in Mumbai, India, before a deadly terrorist attack there in 2008. Feinstein spoke on ABC television's "This Week."
Clapper has decried the revelation of the intelligence-gathering programs as reckless and said it has done "huge, grave damage."
The spokesman for the Director of National Intelligence Shawn Turner said intelligence officials are "currently reviewing the damage that has been done by these recent disclosures."
The disclosures come as the White House deals with managing fallout from revelations that it secretly seized telephone records of journalists at The Associated Press and Fox News.
Snowden says he was a former technical assistant for the CIA and a current employee of defence contractor Booz Allen Hamilton, which released a statement Sunday confirming he had been a contractor with them in Hawaii for less than three months, and promising to work with investigators.
Snowden could face many years in prison for releasing classified information if he is successfully extradited from Hong Kong, according to Mark Zaid, a national security lawyer who represents whistleblowers.
Hong Kong, though part of China, is partly autonomous and has a Western-style legal system that is a legacy from the territory's past as a British colony. A U.S.-Hong Kong extradition treaty has worked smoothly in the past. Hong Kong extradited three al-Qaeda suspects to the U.S. in 2003, for example.
But the treaty comes with important exceptions. Key provisions allow a request to be rejected if it is deemed to be politically motivated or that the suspect would not receive a fair trial. Beijing may also block an extradition of Chinese nationals from Hong Kong for national security reasons.
"The government could subject him to a 10 or 20 year penalty for each count," with each document leaked considered a separate charge, Zaid said.
Snowden told the Guardian newspaper he believes the government could try to charge him with treason under the Espionage Act, but Zaid said that would require the government to prove he had intent to betray the United States, whereas he publicly made it clear he did this to spur debate.
"My sole motive is to inform the public as to that which is done in their name and that which is done against them," Snowden told the Guardian.
The government could also make an argument that the NSA leaks have aided the enemy -- as military prosecutors have claimed against Army Pvt. Bradley Manning, who faces life in prison under military law if convicted for releasing a trove of classified documents through the Wikileaks website.
"They could say the revelation of the (NSA) programs could instruct people to change tactics," Zaid said. That could add more potential jail time to the punishment.
Snowden told the Post he was not going to hide.
"Allowing the U.S. government to intimidate its people with threats of retaliation for revealing wrongdoing is contrary to the public interest," he said in the interview published Sunday. Snowden said he would "ask for asylum from any countries that believe in free speech and oppose the victimization of global privacy."
Snowden told The Guardian he lacked a high school diploma and served in the U.S. Army until he was discharged because of an injury, and later worked as a security guard with the NSA at a covert facility at the University of Maryland.
He later went to work for the CIA as an information technology employee and by 2007 was stationed in Geneva, Switzerland, where he had access to classified documents.
During that time, he considered going public about the nation's secretive programs but told the newspaper he decided against it, because he did not want to put anyone in danger and he hoped Obama's election would curtail some of the clandestine programs.
He said he was disappointed that Obama did not rein in the surveillance programs.
"Much of what I saw in Geneva really disillusioned me about how my government functions and what its impact is in the world," he told The Guardian. "I realized that I was part of something that was doing far more harm than good."
Snowden left the CIA in 2009. He said he spent the last four years at the NSA, briefly as a contractor with consulting giant Booz Allen Hamilton and, before that, Dell.
The Guardian reported that Snowden was working in an NSA office in Hawaii when he copied the last of the documents he planned to disclose and told supervisors that he needed to be away for a few weeks to receive treatment for epilepsy.
He left for Hong Kong on May 20 and has remained there since, according to the newspaper. Snowden is quoted as saying he chose that city because "they have a spirited commitment to free speech and the right of political dissent", and because he believed it was among the spots on the globe that could and would resist the dictates of the U.S. government.
 
layzieone said:
u can't teach the ignorant.
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First they ignore you,

Then they laugh at you,

Then they attack you,

Then you win.

people on this forum, have sent me hate mail back in the day for posting that the NSA or FBI, including the RCMP to some extent, can and do spy on all your internet and phone related activities. I was called an asshole, an ignorant fuck etc..

Turns out I, along with millions of other people that had warned about this were right. You know what the answer is of most people here? So what, doesn't affect me.

Oh YEA? Every google search you do, every phone call you make, everytime you complain about taxes or your government they are listening, profiling, categorizing, putting you on lists.

Do you think that is normal? That a government, by the people, for the people, our governance system is invading your most basic right to privacy? I think not.

Like I said, in a time of eternal deceit, telling the truth becomes an act of defiance.
 
UK Denies Use Of Prism To Get Around Privacy Laws



Much f-tard commi-fascoid worshipers ITT


(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;


7. Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice.

8. Everyone has the right to be secure against unreasonable search or seizure.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/const/page-15.html

your Freedom to Freely Express Your Thoughts & beliefs is brought into danger when you think csis/rcmp agents are monitoring your every Expressed thought & opinion. on a psychological level it Makes People Alter their Behaviour & express themselves less or not as boldly.
 
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koperniczx3 said:
Internet is not a right.
*getting ready for a reply from another dimension*
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you're joking right? what are your thought on radio airwave? do you really want the internet to be controlled like radio has being controlled for decades now?

at what point do you draw the line in the right for information? do we have to go back in time and pass the information along word by word like the slaves did to get it in your head?
 
od_man99 said:
First they ignore you,

Then they laugh at you,

Then they attack you,

Then you win.

people on this forum, have sent me hate mail back in the day for posting that the NSA or FBI, including the RCMP to some extent, can and do spy on all your internet and phone related activities. I was called an asshole, an ignorant fuck etc..

Turns out I, along with millions of other people that had warned about this were right. You know what the answer is of most people here? So what, doesn't affect me.

Oh YEA? Every google search you do, every phone call you make, everytime you complain about taxes or your government they are listening, profiling, categorizing, putting you on lists.

Do you think that is normal? That a government, by the people, for the people, our governance system is invading your most basic right to privacy? I think not.

Like I said, in a time of eternal deceit, telling the truth becomes an act of defiance.
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Governement is stealing my porn.
 
layzieone said:
you're joking right? what are your thought on radio airwave? do you really want the internet to be controlled like radio has being controlled for decades now?

at what point do you draw the line in the right for information? do we have to go back in time and pass the information along word by word like the slaves did to get it in your head?
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Obvious trap was obvious.
Thank you for falling for it.
 
Extremely worrisome. Ever posted a troll comment somewhere? Well it can be used to manufacture probable cause.

I don't know if you people who think this is no big deal are just too dumb to understand the implications of willfully putting your heads in the sand.

{retty sure no one here is a fucked up terrorist criminal, but a lot of people post fucked up shit for the lulz. All it takes is for the flavor of the week of what is unacceptable to change, suddenly, anyone who has ever posted about jdm cars is a criminal, and now with their fucking Aquinas protocol, they can look through posts as old as the internet itself to manufacture probable cause.
 
At a lavish press conference today attended by mainstream and technical media alike, Bob Page unveiled Page Industries (NASDAQ:pAGI) newest technological achievement, "Aquinas."

Rumored to have been in development for almost five years at a cost of over a billion credits, Aquinas is a seamless, transparent replacement for the current patch of Net protocols that promises to radically expand bandwidth without the need for new hardware.

"Aquinas is the result of over five hundred man-years of effort on the part of some of the most talented and driven people in the industry," Page said at the conference. "We're grateful to the NSA and the Hague Commission on Secure Communications for trusting Page Industries with the responsibility for this technological milestone. As of noon today you can expect nearly all of the world's net traffic to be carried by Aquinas. Bandwidth is now, for all intents and purposes, free."

The remainder of the conference involved presentations by the leaders of the carriers allied with Page Industries, and a technical discussion of the Aquinas protocol -- named after the titular Thomas Aquinas, whose philosophy is a well-known passion for Bob Page.
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Fucking Deus Ex is becoming real life. I can't believe this shit.
 
Wrote this in the Alex jones thread but I think it's more on subject here.

Although I despise the likes of Alex jones who blow everything out of proportion and completely make up or misinterpret 90% of the information they convey, what the governments are doing is fucking wrong. It's disgusting.

It's literally big brother. They record who you call, when you called them, where you were, and where the other person was. That's a huge violation of my (and your) privacy. I don't do anything illegal, as a matter of fact I despise crime and criminals, but that's exactly why the government has no business gathering data on me without a warrant issued by a judge or my consent as per due process of law.

I'm no conspiracy theorist nor am I paranoid, but I'm pretty sure that whatever they do with the data they collect had more to do with spying on law abiding citizens, circumventing due process of law, than catching terrorists.

Even if the government does indeed only use the data on specific targeted terrorist suspects (which I'm pretty sure they don't), I'm not sure that the effectiveness the program warrants the ASTRONOMICAL COSTS surely associated with such large scale data capturing operation. It's our (taxpayer) money being spent, there should be accountability. They should demonstrate the effectiveness by showing us results (which most likely don't exist).

Either way, I'm all for security and upholding the law, and that in itself includes upholding the laws that protect citizens from being arbitrarily investigated without due process or probable cause.
 
here for the gov can do no wrong statist cult members..Here:



THE STATE:

PoliceState: no info on drunk driving accident causing cop 'National Security' cited

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=MiPZZKWpSW0#t=0s


OTTAWA: off duty cop beats man after having him arrested by uniformed cop - for speeding!

http://www.ottawasun.com/2011/10/31/driver-says-he-didnt-know-a-cop-was-trying-to-arrest-him


Montreal area cop shoots at woman then arrests her for... not making a complete stop...

http://news.sympatico.ctv.ca/local/qc/longueuil_police_fire_at_car_that_ran_a_stop_sign/2a2e2813


Ottawa cop pleads guilty to 23 charges But is to Be RETRAINED not fired..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Ns2x1v94Ek0#t=0s


Zero Punishment




VS YOU:

Canada: take picture of a fence, get arrested, have your house searched
get brought up on BS terrorism bomb making charges

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=phOkOVyYlAU#t=0s
 
If you wake up now, we can still change things. In 5-10 years it will be too late.

We have members here already saying, it's okay, so what if they spy on me.

My dad relates back when the tried to put in place the Social Security Numbers. People revolted, they were insulted at being labeled a number and forced into a database.

Today, they literally read your mail, watch you in your house and Google can predict how many times you jerk off to porn, yet many find this normal.

The seed of freedom isn't guns, it isn't bruit force, it's the yearning in us to be free of oppression and to have the opportunity to build a life for ourselves and our families and privacy, along with fundamental individual rights .

I can't stress how important this NSA thing is. It vindicates so much of what I posted on here.

Even if you don't agree with me on Guns and other issues, privacy should be a given for everyone.
 
It's amazing at the general level of apathy and complete sheep behavior that I see every day, and that this forum seems to be full of. The typical response of "If you're not doing anything wrong, what's the big deal". This is simpleton linear thinking at its' best, and completely lacking in foresight. If you are indoctrinated to accept all forms of personal invasion (and since you seem to believe one government official stating on the news that they HAVE THE MEANS, but do not target CIVILIANS), you will nary blink an eye to the next invasive step, and the next, and the next, and so on. Law clauses are already fully in place to:

1) Look at you, your private life, with no need for probable cause
2) Protect, under the eyes of the law, those whom use these tools

Does the above not seem slightly authoritarian? I am with Od_man...what more needs to be done to open your eyes? Lord knows there are enough people out there whom are too stupid to go pick up a book, so even providing them with highlighted passages seems useless.
 
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