EVOX09
Well-known member
You are so disconnected from reality.
Here tell us how you know more than one of the best and most loved former US presidents.
I'm disconnected from reality? I am the only one here who has been to the west bank, to Israel, to Jordan, to Saudi, To the Emirates, to Qatar, to Bahrain etc etc . I've seen arab countries, i've seen the west bank and i've seen Israel. You don't even know what reality is, you've never seen it.
And about Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton said some diametrically opposed things in fact his knowledge of the situation was completely different than carter, so was Obama and Bush, shall we now compare which president we think knows more?
An interesting video that gives some background on the conflict.
You seem hard wired to respond the same way regardless of the context. I think Israel (and many of it's supporters) lack an ability to be introspective, to evaluate what they are doing/saying in the context of the whole situation. Many arabs condemn terrorism, but Israel seems incapable of self-reflection or self-control.
When 1 Israeli soldier is kidnapped, Israel has a pavlovian reaction and kills 1000 people (half women and children), then gets upset that people criticise them. Think big picture.
Look at how the US conducted themselves in Iraq or Afghanistan, contrast that with the savagery of Israel in Gaza.
Hamas destroyed Gaza, Israeli soldiers dont even come into contact with gazans unless they need outside medical support. They even accept family members of Hamas members for treatment in Israel. What you don't realize, and i can confirm this because i spent alot of time there, is that most rocket attacks do not make it into the news. There are usually 1-2 every day without response, and when Israel does eventually respond everyone goes crazy. Notice how a rocket is fired from lebanon, the Israel government warns them to arrest the individuals responsible and once the government does there is no further problem? The same would be the case for Gaza if they didn't have the mafia as the government, yes that's how Palestinians livign in the west bank and gaza view Hamas, as the mafia.
lol @ all the buthurt isreal supporters that dont know about their history
now if isreal is a jewish state and the Torah being the jewish peoples holy book isreal clearly contradicts what it says in the Torah. Even the jewish people holy book is againsnt isreal
now before un allowed isreal to be a state they all took a vote all teh arab countries denied now how the fuck did they get the right to even become a state.
in a courtroom if one person on the jury disagrees they all have to discuss till tehy all come to same conclusion clearly that didnt happen here
from an ex IDF soldiers own words
Deysh your clearly in denial.its time to wake up and smell the coffee.
Most of the arab countries were not yet independant when the decision was made and had only just become independent when it was implemented. You clearly don't know your history, Jordan, Syria and Egypt would have gone to war with each other if Israel had not been created, they didn't want a Palestine either. Notice how Jordan occupied the westbank and called it "Jordan" and Egypt occupied Gaza and called it "Egypt" after 1948. They put the Palestinians in tents and denied them any basic rights, the response was essentially "too bad, we fought for this land it's ours now".
You can find hippies who talk about how awful Canada is also, and how our government murders people and oppresses us, i even know a few, if i film them and post it on youtube that doesn't make it true.